A great man gone

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Mottleydude said:
BTW, if you're going to be in CMH again drop me a PM. Maybe we can hook up for a Thurman Burger and a Leinenkugel.
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F*ck, I'm an idiot. Don't even remember writing that too you last night. I am coming back to Columbus in September for the Ohio State-USC game. I cannot wait!!!!

I was in Cincinnati for a wedding. There were some attractive women in Cinci. I liked the city.
 
Southern Man said:
An unbiased reporter wouldn't editorialize. A biased on who was responsible wouldn't either.
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Editorials are opinions. Reporting the news is a completely different job.

Doing editorials is just expressing your views. So you seem to have a problem with him expressing his views.

I doubt you could ever have a major news reporter who does not have opinions of their own. Does having an opinion make a reporter biased?
 
WinterBorn said:
Editorials are opinions. Reporting the news is a completely different job.

Doing editorials is just expressing your views. So you seem to have a problem with him expressing his views.

I doubt you could ever have a major news reporter who does not have opinions of their own. Does having an opinion make a reporter biased?
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Expressing that opinion in the same forum as a report indeed causes the report to be biased. Cronkite got folks to trust him by providing unbalanced reporting then fucked up by later editorializing. Either choose one or the other, as its simply wrong to switch back and forth all the time. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
Expressing that opinion in the same forum as a report indeed causes the report to be biased. Cronkite got folks to trust him by providing unbalanced reporting then fucked up by later editorializing. Either choose one or the other, as its simply wrong to switch back and forth all the time. *shrug*
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Southernman, do you believe there are any mainstream news reporters out there that do not have opinions on almost every topic?

No need for long winded stuff, just tell me if you believe they are out there in any significant number.
 
WinterBorn said:
Southernman, do you believe there are any mainstream news reporters out there that do not have opinions on almost every topic?

No need for long winded stuff, just tell me if you believe they are out there in any significant number.
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You have an uncanny ability to develop a straw man at nearly any turn. I'll give you the opportunity to explain the likely reason.
 
Southern Man said:
You have an uncanny ability to develop a straw man at nearly any turn. I'll give you the opportunity to explain the likely reason.
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Its not a straw man at all. It is very relevant to our discussion. You are claiming that Cronkite was biased because he reported straight news and did editorials. Neither was portrayed as the other. Editorials at that time were clearly expressed as editorials.

My question to you is very relevant.

Are you going to answer it?
 
WinterBorn said:
Its not a straw man at all. It is very relevant to our discussion. You are claiming that Cronkite was biased because he reported straight news and did editorials. Neither was portrayed as the other. Editorials at that time were clearly expressed as editorials.

My question to you is very relevant.

Are you going to answer it?
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Wow a 2nd straw man. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
Wow a 2nd straw man. *shrug*
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You can continue to call it straw man, but I have simply asked you a question.

You have tried to make the point that Cronkite doing both straight news and editorials was wrong. What I am asking you is relevant and to the point.

The only reason you refuse to answer is that you know it will show your claims to be bogus.

Thanks for proving my point again. :pke:
 
WinterBorn said:
You can continue to call it straw man, but I have simply asked you a question.

You have tried to make the point that Cronkite doing both straight news and editorials was wrong. What I am asking you is relevant and to the point.

The only reason you refuse to answer is that you know it will show your claims to be bogus.

Thanks for proving my point again. :pke:
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You ask questions that are irrelevant to the discussion based on my earlier statement: straw men. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
You ask questions that are irrelevant to the discussion based on my earlier statement: straw men. *shrug*
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In an early post you said "Expressing that opinion in the same forum as a report indeed causes the report to be biased. Cronkite got folks to trust him by providing unbalanced reporting then fucked up by later editorializing. Either choose one or the other, as its simply wrong to switch back and forth all the time."

Which is why I asked the question I asked.

Because you either think that mainstream news reporters have no opinions of their own, in which case I would say you are delusional. Or you are calling Cronkite biased for expressing his opinions in editorials, not for having those opinions.

So my question is quite relevant. I think you could see where I was going and decided not to have your argument shown to be bogus.
 
WinterBorn said:
In an early post you said "Expressing that opinion in the same forum as a report indeed causes the report to be biased. Cronkite got folks to trust him by providing unbalanced reporting then fucked up by later editorializing. Either choose one or the other, as its simply wrong to switch back and forth all the time."

Which is why I asked the question I asked.

Because you either think that mainstream news reporters have no opinions of their own, in which case I would say you are delusional. Or you are calling Cronkite biased for expressing his opinions in editorials, not for having those opinions.

So my question is quite relevant. I think you could see where I was going and decided not to have your argument shown to be bogus.
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Mate, once he starts with all that straw man bollocks you may as well just declare victory. ;)
 
WinterBorn said:
In an early post you said "Expressing that opinion in the same forum as a report indeed causes the report to be biased. Cronkite got folks to trust him by providing unbalanced reporting then fucked up by later editorializing. Either choose one or the other, as its simply wrong to switch back and forth all the time."

Which is why I asked the question I asked.

Because you either think that mainstream news reporters have no opinions of their own, in which case I would say you are delusional. Or you are calling Cronkite biased for expressing his opinions in editorials, not for having those opinions.

So my question is quite relevant. I think you could see where I was going and decided not to have your argument shown to be bogus.
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Here's a clue Straw Man champ, in what I said that you already quoted: "...its simply wrong to switch back and forth all the time."
 
Southern Man said:
Here's a clue Straw Man champ, in what I said that you already quoted: "...its simply wrong to switch back and forth all the time."
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But he was only doing one at any given time. My argument still holds that unless you believe that news reporters have no opinion, you are calling Cronkite biased only because he expressed those opinions.

Cronkite was a professional newsman. He could certainly present a fair portrayal of the news when he was acting as the CBS evening news anchorman, and then present opinion (backed up with facts and experience) when he was speaking in his editorials.

The fact that you claim this shows bias but will not answer whether you think mainstream news reporters have an opinion is why I would claim victory (if I were to do so). Not based on something like you avoiding the topic by posting "straw man" over and over.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, an unbiased reporter wouldn't editorialize. A biased one who was responsible wouldn't either.
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An unbiased reporter probably doesn't exist.

And who is it that you think did editorials for decades of TV and far more years of newspapers? Do you think they had some guy off the street writing editorials for newspapers? Who do you think did them on tv for most of the time tv has been doing the news?

Stick with the your straw man claim. Its not any more accurate, but more entertaining.
 
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