Do you think many on the right even understand what the Founding Fathers did?

T. A. Gardner said:
The 17th ruined the Senate.
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What is the philosophical argument for letting state legislatures pick Senators? Because it seems like your argument is "because I want it that way", which is very insolent and childish.


State legislatures or governors picked the senators to represent THE STATE, not the people
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The State is the People, and the People are the State. The State would be nothing without the People, but the People could exist without the State.


By going to a direct popular vote for senators, the Senate is now a carbon copy of the House only with longer terms in office.
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So what? You still haven't given an adequate reason why you want to abolish a Constitutional Amendment.

"Just because" isn't a reason. You need to do better.
 
LV426 said:
What is the philosophical argument for letting state legislatures pick Senators? Because it seems like your argument is "because I want it that way", which is very insolent and childish.




The State is the People, and the People are the State. The State would be nothing without the People, but the People could exist without the State.




So what? You still haven't given an adequate reason why you want to abolish a Constitutional Amendment.

"Just because" isn't a reason. You need to do better.
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the people are not the state.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, yes, yes... The Left loves a good dictatorship. That's why the set them up whenever they can. Taking the power to appoint senators from the states was a way to consolidate power in the hands of the mob.
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Literally 10 months ago, you people attempted a coup in order to overturn an election and install a dictator.

Well, YOU didn't do that...you just egged it on from the sidelines.
 
LV426 said:
Yes they are.

The State would be nothing without the People.
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I know you hate having to read historical or legal documentation because it fucks with your delusional outlook, but maybe you should try reading the 10th Amendment and see that it does indeed classify the state and the people as two different entities

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I know you hate having to read historical or legal documentation because it fucks with your delusional outlook, but maybe you should try reading the 10th Amendment and see that it does indeed classify the state and the people as two different entities
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That is not what the 10th Amendment says.


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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The State is not an entity of its own, separate from the people...the State is the People.

And I'll give you an example...in our courts, the People are represented by the State.

That's why it's always The State vs. (defendant).
 
LV426 said:
That is not what the 10th Amendment says.




The State is not an entity of its own, separate from the people...the State is the People.

And I'll give you an example...in our courts, the People are represented by the State.

That's why it's always The State vs. (defendant).
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you really are that willfully ignorant. I gave you plain fucking text, you wokefully ignored it and substituted your own delusional beliefs ROFL
 
LV426 said:
That is not what the 10th Amendment says.




The State is not an entity of its own, separate from the people...the State is the People.

And I'll give you an example...in our courts, the People are represented by the State.

That's why it's always The State vs. (defendant).
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y

but the state is not really the people.

did trump speak for you?
 
LV426 said:
But education falls under general welfare, so what else ya got?
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It does now. Public schools barely existed at the Founding if they existed at all. Anyway, it's a mistake to put education in the hands of politicians. Traditionally it's been left to educators and should remain that way.
 
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