Michael Vick reinstated by NFL
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See, I hate when my boyfriend talks to chicks like you that like sports. I always have to hear about it later.
Just keep that info to yourself froggie. I don't need you goin' around here making me look bad!
No worries, you do that on your own. Just look at how Tutu owns you every day. It must be embarrassing for you.
I know what greyhounds go through. However, as I said, I believe PETA would definitely be up in arms about perfectly good horses being killed simply because they were slow, just as they are about the greyhounds.
The horses are injured by the sport, that I would agree with, and PETA would as well. But saying they shoot healthy horses because they don't run fast enough is just inane, PETA doesn't claim that, so far only Topspin has.
All that being said, what Vick did is IMO wrong, even when greyhounds race the goal isn't to injure another one.
He served his time for it, and that's done now. He should be allowed to play and earn as he can. I agree with that, but I'm not going to ignore what he did so that I can feel better about it or revere him, I don't need to revere him or think he is a good man to either hire or see he plays well. I'd like him to play for my team and make it better, but that won't change that I don't think he is a good person.
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PETA Says Horseracing = Dog Fighting. They’re Wrong.
Mon, May 5, 2008
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Anybody that saw the Kentucky Derby Saturday was treated to a spectacular race, and then immediately robbed of that memory with one of the most heartbreaking sights in racing. Eight Belles, the first filly running in the race since 1996, which having just turned in the best finish by a girl since Winning Colors, collapsed and broke both ankles shortly after finishing.
When a horse is that severely injured, the track doctors are faced with a tough decision: a Barbaro-style, months-long, publicity stunt of a death watch, or putting the horse down. Eight Belles was euthanized on the track. PETA, maybe my least favorite advocacy group of all time, and never able to miss an opportunity to turn public opinion against them, posted this on their blog later that day:
While the trainers, jockeys, and owners may weep their crocodile tears today over Eight Belles’ euthanasia, they will be back on the track tomorrow, putting other horses at risk. Thoroughbreds are raced on hard dirt surfaces—like the one at Churchill Downs. Their bones simply can’t take it, as Eight Belles’ two broken front legs showed last night. Despite the wealth associated with thoroughbred racing, for the horses—most of whom end up broken, cast off, or sent to Europe to be killed for the dinner table—it’s a dirty business and no better than dogfighting.
There are so many things wrong with this statement that I could go on for hours, but I won’t. Suffice to say that Kentucky has a farm that receives significant taxpayer subsidy that houses retired thoroughbreds. More importantly, let’s look at the last sentence of this uneducated salvo; an assertion that horseracing is no better than dog fighting.
Too soon? Image from Wikimedia Commons
I’ll say that no person who could possibly make that statement could have ever been around a trainer, jockey, owner, because the love–yes, love–that develops between the animals and those that work with them on a daily basis. However, that’s an emotional argument, and therefore inadmissible. No, this is more appropriately cast into proper relief when I point out that in dog fighting at least half of the animals die, and all of them live in the most deplorable conditions imaginable.
Here’s a dog kennel:
Image from Wikimedia Commons
Here’s a horse farm:
Image from Wikimedia Commons
I’ll take this moment to note that in the 134 years of the Kentucky Derby, this is the first time a horse has had to be euthanized. Then there’s the issue of the track surfaces–PETA seems to think that horses can’t run on hard, hard dirt. I’ll point out again that Churchill Downs has a phenomenally low injury rate, despite being known for having a rocket-fast inside track.
This is a bit of an aberration, and a testament to the team behind the track surface at Churchill. You see, the new wave in horse racing, and the safest surface yet, is polytrack, a plastic turf that absorbs the shock of a giant, running animal, crashing down on it. Polytrack is slowly taking over racing, and has been installed in the other holy site of horse racing, Keeneland, where it’s had a phenomenal safety record.
PETA is grandstanding for their own political gain, they’re doing it in a phenomenally stupid way, and they’re doing it over the body of a horse that made a lot of people cry very real tears on Saturday.
Mon, May 5, 2008
Business/Politics
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Image from Wikimedia Commons
Anybody that saw the Kentucky Derby Saturday was treated to a spectacular race, and then immediately robbed of that memory with one of the most heartbreaking sights in racing. Eight Belles, the first filly running in the race since 1996, which having just turned in the best finish by a girl since Winning Colors, collapsed and broke both ankles shortly after finishing.
When a horse is that severely injured, the track doctors are faced with a tough decision: a Barbaro-style, months-long, publicity stunt of a death watch, or putting the horse down. Eight Belles was euthanized on the track. PETA, maybe my least favorite advocacy group of all time, and never able to miss an opportunity to turn public opinion against them, posted this on their blog later that day:
While the trainers, jockeys, and owners may weep their crocodile tears today over Eight Belles’ euthanasia, they will be back on the track tomorrow, putting other horses at risk. Thoroughbreds are raced on hard dirt surfaces—like the one at Churchill Downs. Their bones simply can’t take it, as Eight Belles’ two broken front legs showed last night. Despite the wealth associated with thoroughbred racing, for the horses—most of whom end up broken, cast off, or sent to Europe to be killed for the dinner table—it’s a dirty business and no better than dogfighting.
There are so many things wrong with this statement that I could go on for hours, but I won’t. Suffice to say that Kentucky has a farm that receives significant taxpayer subsidy that houses retired thoroughbreds. More importantly, let’s look at the last sentence of this uneducated salvo; an assertion that horseracing is no better than dog fighting.
Too soon? Image from Wikimedia Commons
I’ll say that no person who could possibly make that statement could have ever been around a trainer, jockey, owner, because the love–yes, love–that develops between the animals and those that work with them on a daily basis. However, that’s an emotional argument, and therefore inadmissible. No, this is more appropriately cast into proper relief when I point out that in dog fighting at least half of the animals die, and all of them live in the most deplorable conditions imaginable.
Here’s a dog kennel:
Image from Wikimedia Commons
Here’s a horse farm:
Image from Wikimedia Commons
I’ll take this moment to note that in the 134 years of the Kentucky Derby, this is the first time a horse has had to be euthanized. Then there’s the issue of the track surfaces–PETA seems to think that horses can’t run on hard, hard dirt. I’ll point out again that Churchill Downs has a phenomenally low injury rate, despite being known for having a rocket-fast inside track.
This is a bit of an aberration, and a testament to the team behind the track surface at Churchill. You see, the new wave in horse racing, and the safest surface yet, is polytrack, a plastic turf that absorbs the shock of a giant, running animal, crashing down on it. Polytrack is slowly taking over racing, and has been installed in the other holy site of horse racing, Keeneland, where it’s had a phenomenal safety record.
PETA is grandstanding for their own political gain, they’re doing it in a phenomenally stupid way, and they’re doing it over the body of a horse that made a lot of people cry very real tears on Saturday.
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The Almighty
That is the one factor that makes me think Vick is legitimate in his desire to better himself. I doubt there is a more classy/honest/sincere person than Tony Dungy. The man is all about character. Vick couldn't ask for a better role model and guide.
I was on PETAs site, there is nothing about them killing healthy horses.
They talk about how the sport itself can cause injury to the horse, just like sports can cause injury to humans, and how the owners are, to them, callous about it. But they do not document times where healthy horses are killed because they weren't fast enough. You are talking out your behind on that one. Horses are killed because they are injured, not because they weren't fast enough. Those animals are too expensive to just kill out of hand.
Please, look at their site and read it, not Wiki their actual site. I checked to see if there were documented cases of healthy horses being killed, they had none.
While there are documented cases of healthy dogs being killed.
They are against horse racing because it injures the horses, and they are often killed because of their injuries. They constantly try to play on the emotion as they talk about how callous the owners are as they say things like, "We don't like it when it happens, but it is part of the game."
You are talking about your behind. Healthy horses are not killed, at least none documented by PETA.
(Now please note, I tried to keep this on track mentioning Vick in every post until this one. I'm not trying to hijack, but it happens sometimes.)
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He doused them in water and electrocuted them. If you don't find that more horrifying than being shot, topper...
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They have?
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Horses that otherwise could be in pasture are shot because they get injured in racing. Tool
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And he electrocuted dogs after matches just because they lost (or, at least, people in his dogfighting ring did). Electrocution is a pretty terrible way to die, especially if not done properly.
Now that is an accurate statement.
They didn't just electrocute them, that was just the end.
I don't see why it matters what kind of person he is.
He served his time and gets to play, that's a good thing. You don't have to make me believe that he's a good person for me to agree that it is a good thing that he gets to play.
I think he's not a good person, but I still believe that it is right that he gets to play. He served his time.
He served his time and gets to play, that's a good thing. You don't have to make me believe that he's a good person for me to agree that it is a good thing that he gets to play.
I think he's not a good person, but I still believe that it is right that he gets to play. He served his time.
People who think that no minorities own race horses = racist weirdos with no life.
This doesn't make what Vick did any better.
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what percentage of owners are Black?
blackascoal
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I completely agree with that.
There is no one in sports who carries as much class weight as Tony Dungy. Everybody would be upset with Vick, including me, if he turns his back on Dungy. I don't think that's going to happen.