Hawaii again declares Obama birth certificate real
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The only thing I am glad about is this time the dude actually said, "He was born in Hawaii", last time he only said, "It is on file" and nothing about the where.
This will actually satisfy quite a few of the people. Although now, and unfortunately, there are stubborn people who, although they believe Obama is a citizen and born in Hawaii, will insist he bows to their collective will.
This will actually satisfy quite a few of the people. Although now, and unfortunately, there are stubborn people who, although they believe Obama is a citizen and born in Hawaii, will insist he bows to their collective will.
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his actions in handling are petty and has caused hardship to the HI government. instead his actions have made this larger than it original was. you have claimed he did this on purpose, it was his strategy...that is why he is unfit, not because he ignored it, but you claimed it was his strategy and his strategy has caused unnecessary problems for the state of HI....and made a small issue into a larger one on purpose....
you claiming drama queen status just shows how immature you really are. as i said, you only care if you think the repubs look bad, fuck all else. nothing i have said in this thread has taken anything beyond its true meaning, that is false. but all you really have in this thread is partisan meadowmuffins and when that fails, instead of debating the points i raised, you offer only ad homs.....
like i said, you are very weak debater, scant on issues and facts and heavy on ad homs....
christiefan915
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Here's your comment. You said "BUTTTTTT! being adopted by Soetero, he became an Indonesian citizen and since Indonesia did not allow dual citizen ship, his U.S. citizen was voluntary revocked."
If you meant it the other way, you should have said "U.S. didn't allow dual citizenship so his U.S. citizenship was revoked." Furthermore, where's your proof that Obama was legally adopted by Soetoro, or that Ann Dunham gave up U.S. citizenship?
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while i agree with you....i can't help but be puzzled how he won't simply release it. HI has stated how much of a headache this is and stated once again that only he or someone with tangible interest can releas a copy. it is j ust possible that HI wishes he would simply release a copy so their office is no longer bombarded with phone calls or written requests...
as president he serves the people....by doing this on purpose to make the repubs and some dems look stupid is not serving the people
More drama queen madness.
Because Onceler said it, it's what Obama was really doing, and he's unfit to lead.
Maybe I am a poor debater with you, because you are basically a child, and I don't waste my time.
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so then you lied or simply have no idea what you're talking about as you're now back peddling on your statement.....LMAO....thank you onceler
that was easy
christiefan915
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1. "The time spent in the US need not have been immediately prior to the child's birth, and it is possible to combine multiple separate periods of physical presence in the US to reach the required figures. Additionally, time spent in US territories or possessions can be counted -- as can time spent abroad in the US military, in US government employment, or as a dependent spouse or child of someone posted abroad under such circumstances."
2. Don't you lose your US citizenship if you move to another country with the intent of living there for an extended period of time?
No.
I used to think this was a totally off-the-wall question and that everyone knew the answer -- until I told people I was about to move to Canada, whereupon probably at least half a dozen of my friends asked me if this meant I would have to give up my US citizenship.
It was once the case that a naturalized US citizen could lose his citizenship by remaining outside the US for an extended period. However, this provision was invalidated by the Supreme Court in Schneider v. Rusk (1964) and was repealed by Congress in 1978.
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#borndual
The law specifically states "and 5 of those years are after her 14th birthday", so yes, it is a requirement that would have to be fulfilled for his birth as a US citizen, if <- this is an important word please pay attention to it, IF he was born outside the US. The adding different years together in order to add up 5 after her 14th birthday she would have been older than 19 regardless.
And again, you can officially renounce your citizenship at a US consulate, and another nation can make such a renunciation a requirement of citizenship.
As for evidence of his Indonesian citizenship, that one is easy, you could not attend school (due to a war they were currently engaged in) in Indonesia without being a citizen. Also due to that same war they required you to renounce other citizenships. Of course, I don't think this happened with Obama, as I think what happened is Sotoro claimed him as a son and thus made him a citizen by extension with no renunciation, thus he was listed as Sotoro when he enrolled in that school.
Uh, no - that is correct. I don't have access to the memo's from Obama where he said he is doing it strategically. Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to slip that by the keen mind of Yurtie.
That was half speculation/ half goading you & meme (which worked, btw).
Regardless, you were pretty conclusive in saying he's not fit to lead as a result. But you're not partisan; you're not a hack or anything....
meme
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and as usual you are pretty lame on your insults..yet you seem to be proud of yourself..jeeeze lameO
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yeah it worked so well that when confronted with its reality you realize what a stupid thing it was you said....btw....your pal maineman has also said it....funny how you guys believe that (at least the half speculation part)...and your post again shows i was right that you enjoy something if it makes the right look bad.
thus, i didn't drama anything up, i took your words at face value and now you're somewhat recanting.....if a president is going to act like a jerk and cause problems like this just to be partisan and solely to make the right look bad, how is that an example of being fit to lead this country onceler?
10 minutes, 10 dollars
christiefan915
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Then how do you explain this paragraph?
"The time spent in the US need not have been immediately prior to the child's birth, and it is possible to combine multiple separate periods of physical presence in the US to reach the required figures. Additionally, time spent in US territories or possessions can be counted -- as can time spent abroad in the US military, in US government employment, or as a dependent spouse or child of someone posted abroad under such circumstances."
Again, it simply makes it so if you are say 21 and have spent say 14 to 17 and 18 to 20 within the US you could add those years together to meet the requirement. She would still be above 19 in order to have met the 'and 5 years after her 14th birthday' portion of the requirement.
The law states that it must be 10 years, and (and is important and should be paid attention to, it isn't or, it is and) five of those years must be after her 14th birthday, in order to meet that requirement you would be at least 19 years old.
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? you're weird
christiefan915
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I believe you have to be of legal age before you can renounce citizenship.
"yeah it worked so well that when confronted with its reality you realize what a stupid thing it was you said"
It did work - REALLY well. You can be counted on to take everything seriously and literally, and to the extreme (see: Dixie/tight jeans, LadyT/minimum wage workers). You are basically a humorless fellow, anyway, and there is something weird psychologically there, where you blow everything up to a point where it barely resembles what was originally said.
For example, here - suddenly, Obama is not fit to lead, because Onceler said it...and maineman said it too!
It did work - REALLY well. You can be counted on to take everything seriously and literally, and to the extreme (see: Dixie/tight jeans, LadyT/minimum wage workers). You are basically a humorless fellow, anyway, and there is something weird psychologically there, where you blow everything up to a point where it barely resembles what was originally said.
For example, here - suddenly, Obama is not fit to lead, because Onceler said it...and maineman said it too!
I think so too. I am just saying that they have standing to reject citizenship of those who would not renounce citizenship, Indonesia couldn't make you renounce your citizenship, but they could deny your citizenship if they had no evidence of such a renunciation. The US also has every right to simply not recognize any such from say a minor or even anybody for that matter.
Again, I am not applying this to Obama. I am just relating my understanding of the law.
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do you even realize that you're trying so hard to weasel your way out of making a stupid point that you're telling me to not believe or take serious anything you say....why don't you just own up to the fact that your observation makes obama a piss poor leader...i mentioned MM because he is another one i remember making the comment, i am positive others have, but can only for sure remember that one because he has been making that comment for months. but now you got caught in your stink you deflect right back on to me....pathetic onceler, you can't even own up to making a stupid statement without somehow turning it back to me....you really are insecure
notice you never did answer my question about whether that makes him a good leader....i wonder why