And yes, we are stranded,"

BartenderElite said:
Hmmmmm....do you think it could be something about evacuating from a war-torn country that's completely unstable that leads to casualties?
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YES! that is the reason we should have kept the troops and Bagram until Americans were all evacuated. Then withdraw the troops from a defensible Bagram AFB. The way Biden did it left our troops defending the airport like sitting ducks and got 13 killed.

Casualties are tragic, but I'm amazed that anyone thinks we could have gotten out clean. And these are the same people who think we should have sent troops on dangerous missions to retrieve defunct & disabled equipment.
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We should have disabled the equipment before we turned the lights out.
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Bellis

Charlotte Bellis is a New Zealand journalist who previously reported for Al Jazeera.[1]

Biography Edit

Bellis was born in Christchurch, New Zealand and attended Selwyn House School.[2][3] She studied journalism at the University of Missouri in Columbia, Missouri, and returned to New Zealand in 2009.[4]

She started her journalism career as a television reporter in Christchurch, and later presented Prime News and news programme 60 Minutes in New Zealand. She was made redundant by Prime News in February 2015[5] and took a job with ABC World News in New York the following month.[2][6] In 2017 she started working for Al Jazeera news network in their Doha, Qatar offices.[1][4]

From July 2021, she was stationed in Kabul, Afghanistan and reported on the fall of the country to the Taliban.[2][7][8] At the first press conference given by the Taliban in Kabul, Bellis was one of the three women present. Her asking about women's rights at that press conference drew international attention to herself.[9] Some days later, she was granted a personal interview with Abdul Qahar Balkhi, a Taliban leader and a member of their Cultural Commission. In the interview, New Zealand was praised for its recent humanitarian support, with NZ$3 million given to two international aid agencies for refugee support.[10]

On 29 August 2021 Charlotte told Radio New Zealand that she would remain in Afghanistan as long as she could.[11] On 14 October 2021, news media reported that she had left Afghanistan,[12] but on 20 October she was again seen reporting live from Kabul.

She resigned from Al Jazeera in November 2021 after becoming pregnant, due to conflicts with Qatar's extramarital pregnancy laws.[13]
 
ExpressLane said:
YES! that is the reason we should have kept the troops and Bagram until Americans were all evacuated. Then withdraw the troops from a defensible Bagram AFB. The way Biden did it left our troops defending the airport like sitting ducks and got 13 killed.

We should have disabled the equipment before we turned the lights out.
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They did disable as much as they could.

I don't think you realize that when you say that - the equipment wasn't sitting there in safe territory. You're contradicting yourself by suggesting that we send troops to retrieve or disable it, when that surely would have led to casualties.

You're armchair quaterbacking. We ended a 20-year war w/ minimal casualties. We got out of Afghanistan.
 
anatta said:
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki went viral on Monday after she rejected the notion that Americans who have yet to be evacuated from Afghanistan are "stranded."

Critics were quick to push back on Psaki’s claim and pointed out several headlines declaring Americans were "stranded" including ABC News, Axios, The Washington Post, The Daily Beast, and NBC News, which used the term as recently as Sunday.
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An American mother trapped in Afghanistan made an emotional plea to Joe Biden on Tuesday, urging the president to help her get back to her children in the United States as the Taliban becomes increasingly violent.

"We are in danger. We are in danger Mr. President, please help us," the woman said during an appearance on "Fox & Friends First."

The woman said that she had made multiple attempts to reach the Kabul airport, but people were quickly beaten, whipped, and turned away in fear for their lives.

The woman, who goes by the pseudonym "Fatima" for her own safety, has two children back in America. She said her daughter calls her, asking if the Taliban will behead her and why.

To ease her daughter’s mind, she says that the Taliban have brought kittens for people to play with.

"I can’t talk to my kids and see them anymore because I don’t know, it makes my fear worse."

She said that family members of U.S. citizens have contacted the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the United States, only hearing back that the government would likely "escalate" the situation on the ground.

"Our lives are in extreme danger and I don’t know how long it’s going to continue. They are going to people’s homes at night and they are just taking them away."

This needs to get better and this needs to get better faster because we are running out of time," she added.

Fatima added that she was thankful to be the "voice" of those stranded in Afghanistan.

"And yes, we are stranded," Fatima said
https://www.foxnews.com/media/american-mom-stranded-afghanistan-plea-biden-danger-help
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FOX CLAIMED SHE IS AN AMERICAN
 
ExpressLane said:
And yet we kept it with 2,500 and did not lose anyone for 18 months.
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And you understand that circumstances changed dramatically in the past year, and that it can be tougher to get out of an unstable country once that decision is made?

I wonder if you parsed & picked apart Republican military ventures like this.
 
BartenderElite said:
Hmmmmm....do you think it could be something about evacuating from a war-torn country that's completely unstable that leads to casualties?

Casualties are tragic, but I'm amazed that anyone thinks we could have gotten out clean. And these are the same people who think we should have sent troops on dangerous missions to retrieve defunct & disabled equipment.
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an orderly with drawl thru Bagram - not Kabul -would have a secure perimeter and allowance for weapons removal and civilians before the military finally left
Biden took out the military before getting the civilians out
Biden made no attempt to get the equipment out

He didn't have to have it done by Sept 11th -his political target date.
That started the bug out instead of orderly withdrawal
 
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Bungling Biden's Afghanistan debacle will cast a long shadow over transatlantic security

In February, bungling Biden declared that he would “repair our alliances and engage with the world once again.”

Seven months later, his bungled Afghanistan pullout has left our alliances bruised and battered and his credibility abroad about as believable as Taliban promises to respect women.

Repairing the damage will not be easy. The sudden withdrawal showed callous disregard for our allies. This was compounded by the regime’s pollyannaish response to the international deluge of criticism that followed.

The regime fails to comprehend the ownership stake which many European allies retained in a secure and democratic Afghanistan.

The Germans, for example, deployed 150,000 soldiers to Afghanistan from 2002- 2021, many for repeat tours. Berlin’s decision to join the U.S.-led effort was not easy. For historical reasons, Germany is extremely cautious about overseas military deployments, and getting the mission extended year over year was tortuous and politically taxing.

Yet the Germans and other allies stood with the U.S. year over year. Last year, NATO’s Resolute Support (RS) mission to train and equip the Afghan National Security Forces counted 16,000 troops from 38 allies and partner nations.

Yet bungling Biden decided to pull all U.S. forces from Afghanistan unilaterally, leaving allies – many of whom had recently committed additional troops to RS at the behest of the U.S. – feeling as though the rug had been pulled out from under them.


https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/571404-bidens-afghanistan-debacle-will-cast-a-long-shadow-over
 
Barfly said:
And you understand that circumstances changed dramatically in the past year, and that it can be tougher to get out of an unstable country once that decision is made? I wonder if you parsed & picked apart Republican military ventures like this.
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Bungling Biden botched it, bitch.

Own it.
 
BartenderElite said:
They did disable as much as they could.

I don't think you realize that when you say that - the equipment wasn't sitting there in safe territory. You're contradicting yourself by suggesting that we send troops to retrieve or disable it, when that surely would have led to casualties.

You're armchair quaterbacking. We ended a 20-year war w/ minimal casualties. We got out of Afghanistan.
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Better planning and a orderly withdrawal would have given them plenty of time to destroy US equipment.
 
anatta said:
an orderly with drawl thru Bagram - not Kabul -would have a secure perimeter and allowance for weapons removal and civilians before the military finally left
Biden took out the military before getting the civilians out
Biden made no attempt to get the equipment out

He didn't have to have it done by Sept 11th -his political target date.
That started the bug out instead of orderly withdrawal
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Bingo!
 
Legion said:
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Charlotte Bellis said it was “brutally ironic” that she'd once questioned the Taliban about their treatment of women and she was now asking the same questions of her own government.

“When the Taliban offers you — a pregnant, unmarried woman — safe haven, you know your situation is messed up,” Bellis wrote.


https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rejected-zealand-reporter-turns-taliban-82549239
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This is not the person they claim is pregnant and an American stranded in Afghanistan



This is an New Zealander



Fox is lying
 
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