Why you can't draw great conclusions from the Ukraine videos.

Dutch Uncle said:
Hmmm.....seems like you and the other Putinites have access to RT.com so you are obviously a lying cocksucker....again.

https://www.rt.com/
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So RT is western media?
Looks like you need some education.

RT (formerly Russia Today or Rossiya Segodnya (Russian: Россия Сегодня))[10] is a Russian state-controlled[1] international television network funded by the tax budget of the Russian government.[17][18]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on taking any info with a grain of salt. Oddly, I see mostly RWers denying Ukrainian claims, not Russian ones. Why do you think that is so?
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You will have to ask them.
But I have also seen LWers denying Russian claims.
It goes both ways.

Me?
I try to keep an open mind on things.
 
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McRocket said:
This video is from The Chieftain.
A well known and well respected 'expert' in the tank field.

Bottom line?
Making broad conclusions based on snippets of videos coming out of Ukraine is ludicrous.
And clearly for amateurs/MSM only.
Either pro or con Ukraine.
We will not know until LONG after the war is over what actually happened.

One interesting note I took from the video was that no video of a destroyed Russian tank from ANY means was equipped with Arena (their Active Protection System - similar to Trophy for US/Israeli/German tanks).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure)
So either Arena works great.
Or the Russians are not fielding tanks with it.
I am going with the former as I cannot fathom why they would not be sending Arena-equipped tanks into Ukraine.
If for no other reason - to test it in combat.
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I actually agree with you here...we aren't going to get accurate information from either side.

Apart from the videos shared on Tik Tok, Twitter, IG, and Facebook (and even those might be deepfakes), all we can do is guess at what's happening.

I do think that if Russia had the ability to overtake Ukrainian forces, they would have done so already.

I also think the window for Putin to use a small nuke has also passed; using one now would be counter-productive because RU still needs to occupy the land afterwards, and if it's irradiated, it's useless.
 
anonymoose said:
We don’t see Russian claims in western media.
Naïveté is a defining characteristic of the left,
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Russian claims are propaganda. Zelensky is a beacon of truth
Based on what I'm seeing the US weapons are stalling Russian armor advances
So Russia lays siege and pulverizes cities - Biden dismissed claims that Russia wanted talks
Maybe they do, maybe they dont?
instead of providing such thru Macron or someone - dismissing peace talks is a protraction of war
 
dukkha said:
Russian claims are propaganda
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Yes, and you've been spreading them here on JPP and who knows where else...


So Russia lays siege and pulverizes cities - Biden dismissed claims that Russia wanted talks
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Because the "talks" Russia wants are simply Ukraine giving Russia everything they want.

Russia wants "talks" on their terms, but they have no leverage because their offensive, that you called "genius" a month ago, has turned into an unmitigated disaster.
 
anonymoose said:
We don’t see Russian claims in western media.
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Yes we do, on Fox News.

Russia literally said that everything Tucker Carlson says should be repeated.

Russian TV Uses Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard to Sell Putin’s War
Fox News clips of Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard trashing Ukraine and the Biden administration were a mainstay of news coverage this week on Russian state television.
https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/russian-tv-uses-tucker-carlson-tulsi-gabbard-sell-putins-war/
 
anonymoose said:
So RT is western media?
Looks like you need some education.

RT (formerly Russia Today or Rossiya Segodnya (Russian: Россия Сегодня))[10] is a Russian state-controlled[1] international television network funded by the tax budget of the Russian government.[17][18]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
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So what's your complaint? You don't need to get Putin's marching orders from Western media, you can virtually suck his dick at RT.com
 
Joe Capitalist said:
It's hard to believe Carlson's ratings haven't plummeted and advertisers haven't bailed on him since he said he was "Rootin' for Putin".
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Good point. Time will tell.

FWIW, I doubt the IQ and education level of most Fox viewers isn't very high.

 
If you want lies about a battle, ask the military. They seek escalation and bigger weapons every time. They lied to us through Vietnam and Afghanistan. They lied through Korea and Iraq. War is messy and nobody really knows what is happening or how it will turn out. The fog of war exists.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
For the record I said several weeks before the operation started that XI had approved it...unlike a lot of other people I was not surprised. I also said that Putin would go big. My record for being right is very good.
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Prove it!


I have been able to prove with my posts here for YEARS that I was correct when you assholes told me I was crazy


I have some of those threads linked in my signature



PROVE YOUR CLAIM
 
PostmodernProphet said:
are you referring to the Biden who said a minor incursion might be ignored or the Biden who refused to cancel Russian oil until the rest of the world, including the demmycrats in the House, demanded it................just yesterday they suggested they might impose more sanctions......wtf?......why are there sanctions left we haven't already imposed.......
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Let's face it: Clueless the sex pest (with the Russian flag avatar) also thought women were kidding when they told him to leave them alone, but several judges helped him understand that "no means no".
 
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