Afghanistan: What Are These People Thinking?

Afghanistan Election Fraud and the High Price of Empire

It is amusing, if remarkable, that there are still some players in Washington who try to maintain the fantasy that Afghan President Hamid Karzai governs with anything akin to legitimacy.

Karzai, an alleged oil-industry fixer awarded control of his country by occupying powers, has always served with strings attached.

And the Afghan people have been quite aware of that fact.

It is true that, at different points over the past eight years, Karzai has enjoyed measures of popular support, thanks to alliances with warlords and drug dealers, the inflaming of ethnic rivalries and an awareness that he was the one distributing all those billions of dollars from the United States.

But, aside from a slick sense of dress, Karzai has never had much going for him in the political department.

So he has, out of instinct and by necessity, relied on fraud to "win" the elections that have kept the Afghan president and his minions in power.

That was not much of a problem during the Bush-Cheney years. The men who assumed control of the United States after losing the 2000 popular vote by more than 500,000 and then shutting down the recount of votes in the contested state of Florida were not going to gripe about the mangling of democratic processes in distant Afghanistan.

But the fantasy is getting harder to maintain now that Bush has retired and Cheney has repositioned himself as the planet's primary defender of torture.

So we get the "news" -- not from the satirical Onion but from the nation's newspaper of record -- that U.S. officials are trying to prevent Karzai from declaring "victory" in the exercise in fraud that naive commentators still insist on referring to as an election.

The Times was as delicate as possible in reporting the predicament:

WASHINGTON -- On Monday, as the vote-counting in Afghanistan was nearing an end, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was briefed by the American ambassador in Kabul, Karl W. Eikenberry. The same day, the ambassador delivered a blunt message to the front-runner, President Hamid Karzai: "Don't declare victory."

The slim majority tentatively awarded Mr. Karzai in Afghanistan's fraud-scarred election has put the Obama administration in an awkward spot: trying to balance its professed determination to investigate mounting allegations of corruption and vote-rigging while not utterly alienating the man who seems likely to remain the country's leader for another five years.

Another way of putting it might be to say that U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to construct a rationale for allowing the man they put in charge of Afghanistan to remain in charge of Afghanistan.

This is not a new problem.

Colonial powers have faced these challenges throughout history.

It is one of the wages of empire.

And's that's the problem with the U.S. presence in Afghanistan.

While it may have been initiated with a practical purpose -- to hunt down the plotters of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and to rid the country of its terrorist-friendly Taliban leaders -- and while it may have been re-imagined as an experiment in the sort of "nation building" that presidential-candidate George Bush once decried, this imperial endeavor has ended up as imperial endeavors invariably do.

The United States, a country founded with the purpose of breaking the chains of empire, has gotten into the dirty business of constructing and maintaining them.

The machinations required to maintain Hamid Karzai in a position to enrich himself and his favored warlords -- even when it involves making excuses for electoral fraud and worse -- are precisely the sort of "entangling alliance" about which George Washington warned in his farewell address to a young nation.

This is what Secretary of State John Quincy Adams pledged to avoid when he told the Congress in 1821 that:

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will (America's) heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

America has drifting far from the moorings of her establishment.

The continued occupation of Afghanistan provides evidence of how far.

But it also does something else.

It provides a pivot point.

Those who would have America return to the most fundamental, the most essential, of her founding values with regard to foreign policy should see Afghanistan as the starting point for a renewal of those values.

The work of extracting U.S. troops from that distant land -- and from the service of Hamid Karzai's fraudulent presidency -- is, of course, about Afghanistan. But it is also about America.

How do we pursue it?

Aggressively.

If our representatives in the House have not signed on to Massachusetts Congressman Jim McGovern's resolution to "require the Secretary of Defense to submit a report to Congress outlining the United States exit strategy for United States military forces in Afghanistan," they need to be encouraged to join the 97 current cosponsors. This is a bipartisan measure and many of the newest cosponsors are conservative Republicans, so don't fall into the trap of thinking that only progressive Democrats care about bringing the troops home.

If our senators are not siding with Wisconsin Democrat Russ Feingold, who has called for a flexible timetable to bring the troops home, tell them to join with their colleague to challenge the Obama administration's wrongheaded surges of more troops into a quagmire.

If our news media fails to tell the full story on the nightmarish turns that the occupation has taken, tune in to the Brave New Foundation's terrific Rethink Afghanistan project. And read Tom Hayden's smart analysis, with its unblinking assessment of the administration missteps.

Hayden reminds us that: "August was the cruelest month for American forces in Afghanistan, with at least 49 killed, not including possible last-minute reports. The August numbers exceeded the previous high of 43 in July, as a result of the new escalation of fighting approved by President Obama. The President is expected to approve another troop increase shortly, which will inevitably increase American casualty rates in the 18-24 months of "hard fighting" forecast by the Pentagon. At a rate of 45 American deaths per month, the toll on Obama's watch would be 1,080 additional American deaths through 2011, as the President heads into a re-election."

Those are unsettling numbers, as are the numbers of civilian casualties in Afghanistan. They call for a renewal of anti-war activism. To make it happen, link up with Progressive Democrats of America, Peace Action and the Friends Committee on National Legislation, all three of which have taken the lead in arguing that those who really care about Afghanistan and America must work to get the United States out of the business of occupying distant lands and propping up puppet presidents.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/theb...n_election_fraud_and_the_high_price_of_empire
 
Oh yeah .. that pipeline that's mentioned in the article ...

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Pipelineistan - Part 1: The rules of the game

War against terrorism? Not really. Reminder: it's all about oil.


http://atimes.com/c-asia/DA25Ag01.html

LMAO... AGAIN, the idiot posts an article that is over 7 years OLD.

Again.... SINCE this article...

1) The pipeline exists to export the Caspian oil through Azerbaijan and Georgia, NOT through Afghanistan. A point the moronic BAC cannot seem to grasp (hence his continued posting of articles that are from 1998 and this one from January 2002)

2) The pipeline through Afghanistan (as it is being discussed today) is for NAT GAS... from western Turkmenistan and is not currently involving any US companies.

3) Yes, we are interested in oil as a country. But it is NOT the reason we went to war in Afghanistan. To suggest it is is nothing more than a conspiracy nut trying to piece together to moronic conspiracies that have been debunked time and again.

4) No buildings were detonated on 9/11... this has been debunked 100 times, despite the idiocy from BAC who in turn refuses to read anything on the topic from actual experts.

5) We did not go to war in Afghanistan for oil. The fact that there was interest in 1998 to also build oil pipelines is irrelevant. Note the idiot BAC won't post anything CURRENT (within the last year) that shows US companies trying to build oil pipelines. I wonder why?
 
LMAO... AGAIN, the idiot posts an article that is over 7 years OLD.

Again.... SINCE this article...

1) The pipeline exists to export the Caspian oil through Azerbaijan and Georgia, NOT through Afghanistan. A point the moronic BAC cannot seem to grasp (hence his continued posting of articles that are from 1998 and this one from January 2002)

2) The pipeline through Afghanistan (as it is being discussed today) is for NAT GAS... from western Turkmenistan and is not currently involving any US companies.

3) Yes, we are interested in oil as a country. But it is NOT the reason we went to war in Afghanistan. To suggest it is is nothing more than a conspiracy nut trying to piece together to moronic conspiracies that have been debunked time and again.

4) No buildings were detonated on 9/11... this has been debunked 100 times, despite the idiocy from BAC who in turn refuses to read anything on the topic from actual experts.

5) We did not go to war in Afghanistan for oil. The fact that there was interest in 1998 to also build oil pipelines is irrelevant. Note the idiot BAC won't post anything CURRENT (within the last year) that shows US companies trying to build oil pipelines. I wonder why?

A. The 2nd article is 7 years old but demonstrates the interests and machinations of the US government in the pipeline at the time .. which you claimed did not exist. Now you're argument has morphed into "there's nothing new"

The first article was written two days ago.

B. The project was halted until a "stable internationally recognized government was in place" and the ability to protect the pipeline from attacks. Is there a stable internationally government in place in Afghanistan? Would the pipeline be protected from attacks? Are you suggesting that if these things were in place no American government would be interested?

C. There is no science to any of the bullshit claimed on 9/11 .. but lots of science to support the truth.

D. The pipeline project DID PROCEED in 2002 .. which could not have happened unless the US threw out the Taliban .. but was halted again when the Taliban struck back.

Why didn't you know this .. because you're fucking stupid and you research nothing.

E. I didn't post this information for morons like you, but rather to inform open-minded people who are sceptical of our intent and people who know our history.

F. How about you providing documentation and evidence to back your bullshit up. I provide plenty .. always do. All you have is lip-service.

By the responses to this thread .. I'm pleased.

You're just the fucking clown I hoped would show up to demonstrate a colonized mind.

Question: did you support the war in Iraq?
 
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C. There is no science to any of the bullshit claimed on 9/11 .. but lots of science to support the truth.

BAC, you are literally, fucked up in the head, if you still believe this. It is you that have cognitive dissonance, demonstrated by the fact of literally HUNDREDS of peer reviewed scientific journals discussing how the towers fell etc. You need some weed and a nice vacation in the Bahamas. seriously.
 
"A. The 2nd article is 7 years old but demonstrates the interests and machinations of the US government in the pipeline at the time .. which you claimed did not exist. Now you're argument has morphed into "there's nothing new""

No, that is not what I claimed, I stated that the US was not (and it wasn't) interested in putting an OIL pipeline through Afghanistan. It was interested in the oil having a route that did not go through Iran or Russia. Its two options were Afghanistan or Azerbaijan/Georgia (with a possible link to the Turkish pipeline). The latter was chosen. So while the US was interested in the Caspian oil in 2002, it was not still considering Afghanistan. It gave that option up at the point we bombed Al Queda camps in late 98 or early 99. It new the country was not going to be stable enough to do so. After 9/11, if they had the intention of going in for the pipeline as you suggest, it makes NO sense given that they had already decided to build the pipeline through Georgia (which is why we supported Georgia with funds as you mentioned).

"The first article was written two days ago."

and all it does is state 'there is a pipeline that no one wants to talk about'... which is true... because they have no interest in the oil pipeline anymore. Eventually the Nat Gas pipeline will be built, but again the US interest is not as high as it was in 1998 for that either due to the Nat Gas discoveries here in the US.

"B. The project was halted until a "stable internationally recognized government was in place" and the ability to protect the pipeline from attacks. Is there a stable internationally government in place in Afghanistan? Would the pipeline be protected from attacks? Are you suggesting that if these things were in place no American government would be interested?"

Yes, it was halted. That is correct. While we would be interested from the extent that it would provide jobs and revenue to a country (which tends to help stabilize said country), then yes, we would be interested. But why would a US company want to pump Nat Gas there and risk the political stability, when they could simply drill here?

"C. There is no science to any of the bullshit claimed on 9/11 .. but lots of science to support the truth."

The above is complete BS on your part. The science does not support you. No matter how many times you pretend otherwise.

"D. The pipeline project DID PROCEED in 2002 .. which could not have happened unless the US threw out the Taliban .. but was halted again when the Taliban struck back. "

Again, since you are so slow witted... show me which US company went ahead with the pipeline in 2002. Who went ahead with it?

"Why didn't you know this .. because you're fucking stupid and you research nothing."

This is laughable given that I am the one providing the FACTS of the pipeline and you thus far have generated what? op-ed pieces?

"E. I didn't post this information for morons like you, but rather to inform open-minded people who are sceptical of our intent and people who know our history."

LMAO... right... rather you posted it for other conspiracy lemmings to jump on board with and tell you how great you are.

F. How about you providing documentation and evidence to back your bullshit up. I provide plenty .. always do. All you have is lip-service.

By the responses to this thread .. I'm pleased.

You're just the fucking clown I hoped would show up to demonstrate a colonized mind.

Question: did you support the war in Iraq?


Lip service? How can I show you that something does not exist? It is impossible to prove a negative. You have shown NOTHING at all to back your claim that we are still interested in a pipeline. You ignore the fact that the pipeline in Azerbaijan and Georgia is already in place for the Caspian oil. You ignore the fact that NO US company is in the process of planning to build an oil pipeline nor a Nat Gas one for that matter.
 
BAC, you are literally, fucked up in the head, if you still believe this. It is you that have cognitive dissonance, demonstrated by the fact of literally HUNDREDS of peer reviewed scientific journals discussing how the towers fell etc. You need some weed and a nice vacation in the Bahamas. seriously.

Save the bullshit .. post the science.

It's just that simple. You don't need "experts" or anybody else to hold your hand. A simple 8th grade understanding of science is all that's required.

I can post the science that supports my position .. your position is that science doesn't matter. Reach into your "peer-reviewed scientific journals" and post the science. Which one of your journals told you the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the Law of Falling Objects does not apply?

Can't post the science .. don't waste my time with your fear. SERIOUSLY. I've heard that shit before.

.. and before you run too far from the topic of the thread .. debunk what has been said by the author.
 
Save the bullshit .. post the science.

It's just that simple. You don't need "experts" or anybody else to hold your hand. A simple 8th grade understanding of science is all that's required.

I can post the science that supports my position .. your position is that science doesn't matter. Reach into your "peer-reviewed scientific journals" and post the science. Which one of your journals told you the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the Law of Falling Objects does not apply?

Can't post the science .. don't waste my time with your fear. SERIOUSLY. I've heard that shit before.

.. and before you run too far from the topic of the thread .. debunk what has been said by the author.

Instead of posting those two yet again.... why don't YOU explain how they apply to the towers. Please. Because despite posting the articles that explain why you are wrong, you just trot out these two laws and then stop. Explain why you think they apply so that we can laugh yet again as we debunk your idiocy yet again.

I am out for the weekend, so you have until Monday to work up your best response.
 
Instead of posting those two yet again.... why don't YOU explain how they apply to the towers. Please. Because despite posting the articles that explain why you are wrong, you just trot out these two laws and then stop. Explain why you think they apply so that we can laugh yet again as we debunk your idiocy yet again.

I am out for the weekend, so you have until Monday to work up your best response.

This thread isn't about the twin towers .. isn't about 9/11. It's about Afghanistan and the all too obvious fraud that it is.

Noticed that you didn't touch that. Take your best shot and debunk it.

not surprised.

By the way, the first article was written two days ago. When was it you said I posted it before?

Never posted the second article either.

If the information all looks the same, it's because they're reading the facts.
 
This thread isn't about the twin towers .. isn't about 9/11. It's about Afghanistan and the all too obvious fraud that it is.


certainly that's the case. However, it does go to our motives concerning Afghanistan and why we invaded them.

Are there real interests in Afghanistan that could benefit us? Sure.

I ask, so what?
 
LMAO... AGAIN, the idiot posts an article that is over 7 years OLD.

Again.... SINCE this article...

1) The pipeline exists to export the Caspian oil through Azerbaijan and Georgia, NOT through Afghanistan. A point the moronic BAC cannot seem to grasp (hence his continued posting of articles that are from 1998 and this one from January 2002)

2) The pipeline through Afghanistan (as it is being discussed today) is for NAT GAS... from western Turkmenistan and is not currently involving any US companies.

3) Yes, we are interested in oil as a country. But it is NOT the reason we went to war in Afghanistan. To suggest it is is nothing more than a conspiracy nut trying to piece together to moronic conspiracies that have been debunked time and again.

4) No buildings were detonated on 9/11... this has been debunked 100 times, despite the idiocy from BAC who in turn refuses to read anything on the topic from actual experts.

5) We did not go to war in Afghanistan for oil. The fact that there was interest in 1998 to also build oil pipelines is irrelevant. Note the idiot BAC won't post anything CURRENT (within the last year) that shows US companies trying to build oil pipelines. I wonder why?

S'mon Super, just connect the dots and it will all be clear.
But wait, first you have to move this dot to hear and then move that one, to over there, and completely ignore all those ones in that corner.
See how clear it now is.
 
certainly that's the case. However, it does go to our motives concerning Afghanistan and why we invaded them.

Are there real interests in Afghanistan that could benefit us? Sure.

I ask, so what?

So what?

People, including Americans are DYING.

So what?

Let me guess .. Saddam has WMD?

wow
 
LMAO... AGAIN, the idiot posts an article that is over 7 years OLD.

Again.... SINCE this article...

1) The pipeline exists to export the Caspian oil through Azerbaijan and Georgia, NOT through Afghanistan. A point the moronic BAC cannot seem to grasp (hence his continued posting of articles that are from 1998 and this one from January 2002)

2) The pipeline through Afghanistan (as it is being discussed today) is for NAT GAS... from western Turkmenistan and is not currently involving any US companies.

3) Yes, we are interested in oil as a country. But it is NOT the reason we went to war in Afghanistan. To suggest it is is nothing more than a conspiracy nut trying to piece together to moronic conspiracies that have been debunked time and again.

4) No buildings were detonated on 9/11... this has been debunked 100 times, despite the idiocy from BAC who in turn refuses to read anything on the topic from actual experts.

5) We did not go to war in Afghanistan for oil. The fact that there was interest in 1998 to also build oil pipelines is irrelevant. Note the idiot BAC won't post anything CURRENT (within the last year) that shows US companies trying to build oil pipelines. I wonder why?
Superfreak, the USA wants a pipeline of its own. This is the reason we remain in Afghanistan and also, we have to have a place to be able to launch a quick attack against Pakistan if that Muslim Bomb nation gets out of hand.

It is no longer a UN mission, the German soldiers grow fat on beer, it is another, USA going it alone. We have to reassess our mission in Afghanistan.

By Greg Guma


As troops and planes headed toward Afghanistan in October 2001, few people questioned the reasons for military engagement. But the causes of war are rarely simple and, as time has passed, other powerful motives have come into focus.

As it turns out, the US war plan was in the works months before the 9/11 attacks. And, like the two Gulf Wars, the rationale was also, if not mainly, rooted in a struggle over access to oil and gas, in this case huge finds in the Caspian Sea Basin. What looked at the time like justified retaliation was, in essence, the first resource war of the 21st century.

For the major energy companies, the Caspian is a new "El Dorado." North of the Persian Gulf, and including Russia, Iran, and former republics of the Soviet Union, it is estimated to contain the world's second or third largest reserves of petroleum, along with a vast supply of natural gas. The region is landlocked, however, so resources found there must move to market by rail or pipeline through adjacent, often unstable states.

Despite complex geopolitics and considerable risks, major oil companies have been acquiring development rights and preparing for production since the early 1990s. By 2001, offshore drilling operations were underway in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, and were set to commence elsewhere. The majors have also invested significantly in the future construction of oil and gas pipelines to distant ports and refineries. By 2010, they expect to invest at least $50 billion in production and transportation.

The first big move was a joint venture between Chevron and Kazakhstan, signed in 1993 to develop the huge Tenzig oil field on the Caspian coast. Three years later, ExxonMobil purchased a 25 percent share. Another consortium focused on Azerbaijan's offshore fields, with estimated reserves of 32 billion barrels of oil and 35 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, making it the third largest potential regional source.

In 1994, BP Amoco, Lukoil, Unocal, Penzoil, Statoil, and others joined with Azerbaijan's state oil company to form the Azerbaijan International Operating Company. Bush family adviser James A. Baker III, who spearheaded George W. Bush's victory in the Florida election dispute, headed the law firm representing this consortium and sat on the U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce advisory council, as did Vice Pres. Dick Cheney before him. But before their investments could produce profits, roadblocks would have to be removed. The biggest was how to get the fuel to markets.

Prior to 9/11, the U.S. government's preferred future route, known as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) project, went from Azerbaijan through Georgia and then south to the Turkish coast. The goal was to reduce reliance on Russia and bring the southern Caucasus into the US fold. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice is a former director of Chevron, a lynchpin of the BTC consortium with extensive operations in Azerbaijan. Until 2000, Cheney was chief executive at Halliburton Co., named a finalist in 2001 to bid on engineering work in the Turkish sector.

Some companies showed more interest in a less expensive route to the Persian Gulf through Iran. But this clashed with official US policy, including a 1995 executive order prohibiting US business with Iran and the 1996 Iran and Libya Sanctions Act, which limited oil investments. A third option was a pipeline from the Dauletebad gas fields in eastern Turkmenistan south through Pakistan to the Arabian Sea, a route across western Afghanistan. After 1995, however, that meant dealing with the Taliban.

This wasn't easy. Although a delegation from Afghanistan visited Washington in February 1997 to secure recognition and meet with Unocal, only two months later the new regime unexpectedly announced that it would award a pipeline contract to the company that started work first. Unocal Pres. John Imle was baffled but refused to give up.

During the summer, a new association chaired by Unocal was formed to promote Turkmenistan-U.S. cooperation. But the Taliban threw another curve ball, announcing that it was leaning toward Bridas. To press its advantage, the Argentina-based company joined forces with another major, Amoco. Still in the game, however, Unocal made some headway with Pakistan, signing a 30-year pricing agreement. Despite complaints, US pressure was paying off. By October, the pieces appeared to be in place. Led by Unocal, Delta, Turkmenistan, Japan's Itochi Oil, Indonesia Petroleum, Crescent Group, and Hyundai became partners in the new Central Asia Gas Pipeline Ltd. (CentGas). Gazprom signed soon after.

Still hoping to win over the Taliban, Unocal invited a delegation to visit corporate headquarters in Sugarland, Texas. The Afghan visitors also met with State Department officials. But the negotiations failed, allegedly because the Taliban wanted too much money. Sensing trouble, Gazprom pulled out of the consortium, leaving Unocal at risk with a 54 percent interest. Shortly thereafter, Unocal Vice Pres. John J. Maresca, later to become a special ambassador to Afghanistan, testified before the US House. Until a single, unified, and friendly government was in place in Afghanistan, he told lawmakers on Feb. 12, 1998, a trans-Afghani pipeline wouldn't be built. The need for a regime change had been put on the table.

By this time, it was quite clear that Afghanistan was one of bin Laden's main operational bases. But the CIA apparently ignored the warnings until the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed. Thirteen days later, the United States retaliated, sending cruise missiles into al Qaeda camps near Khost and Jalalabad. Finally getting the message, Unocal officially suspended its Afghan pipeline plan and pulled out staff throughout the region. Before the end of 1998, it also withdrew from the $2.9 billion Turkmenistan-to-Turkey natural gas project, as well as the Afghan consortium. Unocal's quest for "El Dorado" had been indefinitely postponed.

Taking advantage of an opening, Bridas resumed negotiations with Russia, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan. Shortly, Turkmenistan's foreign minister met with the Taliban's Mullah Omar to discuss the proposed pipeline. Enron also expressed an interest. With $3 billion invested in a plan to build an electrical generating plant at Dabhol, India, it had recently lost access to liquid natural gas supplies from Qatar to fuel the plant. A trans-Afghani gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, terminating near the Pakistan-India border, looked like a promising alternative. Before the end of April 1999, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and the Taliban had sealed an agreement to revive that project.

The Bush family was well acquainted with the bin Ladens long before the Saudi renegade declared war on the United States and its allies in Saudi Arabia's royal family. One of Bush II's former business partners claims to have made his first million in the early 1980s with the aid of a company financed by Osama bin Laden's elder brother, Salem. Both Bush I and II had investments with the Saudi family in the Carlyle Group, a relatively small company that went on to become a large US defense contractor.

Even after the 1998 embassy attacks, the relationship remained cordial. In 1998 and 2000, the first Pres. Bush traveled to Saudi Arabia on behalf of Carlyle, meeting privately with both the Saudi royals and several of Osama's relatives.

Shortly after it moved into the White House, the Bush II administration reportedly told the FBI and intelligence agencies to back off investigations involving the family. The bureau was apparently interested in two bin Laden relatives, Abdullah and Omar, who were living near CIA headquarters in Virginia. A blind spot for Saudi Arabia, as well as Bush family contacts with the bin Ladens, also helps explain why no action was taken when the FBI told the new administration there was clear evidence tying al Qaeda to the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole.

Then-National Security Advisor Rice certainly knew something was up. Her predecessor, Sandy Berger, had briefed her in detail, advising that she would "be spending more time on this issue than on any other." Yet, according to a May 2002 Newsweek cover story, "What Bush Knew," a strategic review "was marginalized and scarcely mentioned in the ensuing months as the administration committed itself to other priorities, like national missile defense (NMD) and Iraq."

The administration didn't ignore the Taliban, however. On the contrary, it offered aid. In May 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a $43 million package for the regime, purportedly to assist hungry farmers who were starving since the destruction of their opium crop on orders from the Taliban's leaders.

By June 2001, the warning signs were obvious for anyone willing to listen. German intelligence had informed both the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." On June 28, CIA Director George Tenet informed Rice that it was "highly likely" that a "significant Qaeda attack" would take place "in the near future." Before he reached Genoa in July for the G-8 summit, Bush obviously understood the danger. Among others, Egyptian Pres. Hosni Mubarak had issued a blunt warning: Someone wanted to crash a plane filled with explosives into the conference site.

But word of imminent US military action was also leaking out. During a meeting with Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in Berlin, three former US officials revealed that Washington was planning military strikes against Afghanistan. They even speculated on the launch date — October 2001.

Unfortunately, Taliban members may also have been in the room, or at least privy to what was said. In any event, the British press later reported that Pakistan's secret service had relayed the news to the Taliban leadership. So much for the element of surprise.

When revelations surfaced that the United States had received credible warnings of an impending attack, officials protested that the information was too vague and that, in any case, Bush II didn't know about the possibility that airplanes might be hijacked until an Aug. 6, 2001, briefing. A key element of this defense was that intelligence available to the CIA never reached the president's desk. True or not, it was the most convenient explanation. However, given the available warnings, not to mention US plans to mount an attack on Afghanistan, the failure to take effective preventive measures looks, at the very least, like a case of willful disregard.

In the weeks after 9/11, national mourning, frustration, and anger, adroitly stoked by the major media, provided a more than adequate justification for the military battle plan hatched months before. A worldwide campaign against terrorism and an alleged "axis of evil" that included Iraq, Iran, and North Korea would have sounded needlessly militant or overly ambitious before 9/11. Afterward, it was hard, even risky, to speak out against the call to war. The order of the day was unity, and whatever the administration needed, Congress (and the public) seemed willing to supply.


This essay is partially excerpted from Uneasy Empire: Repression, Globalization and What We Can Do, and was originally published by The Vermont Guardian and Toward Freedom in September, 2006.
 
Great article. It was a huge disappointment hearing Obama say this was a "war of necessity". It's just another BS rationalization to appease the hawks and keep our eyes on DA OIL!
I was deeply disappointed in his words and his actions.

We will be mired in for a long time.
 
Superfreak, the USA wants a pipeline of its own. This is the reason we remain in Afghanistan and also, we have to have a place to be able to launch a quick attack against Pakistan if that Muslim Bomb nation gets out of hand.

It is no longer a UN mission, the German soldiers grow fat on beer, it is another, USA going it alone. We have to reassess our mission in Afghanistan.

By Greg Guma


As troops and planes headed toward Afghanistan in October 2001, few people questioned the reasons for military engagement. But the causes of war are rarely simple and, as time has passed, other powerful motives have come into focus.

As it turns out, the US war plan was in the works months before the 9/11 attacks. And, like the two Gulf Wars, the rationale was also, if not mainly, rooted in a struggle over access to oil and gas, in this case huge finds in the Caspian Sea Basin. What looked at the time like justified retaliation was, in essence, the first resource war of the 21st century.

For the major energy companies, the Caspian is a new "El Dorado." North of the Persian Gulf, and including Russia, Iran, and former republics of the Soviet Union, it is estimated to contain the world's second or third largest reserves of petroleum, along with a vast supply of natural gas. The region is landlocked, however, so resources found there must move to market by rail or pipeline through adjacent, often unstable states.

Despite complex geopolitics and considerable risks, major oil companies have been acquiring development rights and preparing for production since the early 1990s. By 2001, offshore drilling operations were underway in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, and were set to commence elsewhere. The majors have also invested significantly in the future construction of oil and gas pipelines to distant ports and refineries. By 2010, they expect to invest at least $50 billion in production and transportation.

The first big move was a joint venture between Chevron and Kazakhstan, signed in 1993 to develop the huge Tenzig oil field on the Caspian coast. Three years later, ExxonMobil purchased a 25 percent share. Another consortium focused on Azerbaijan's offshore fields, with estimated reserves of 32 billion barrels of oil and 35 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, making it the third largest potential regional source.

In 1994, BP Amoco, Lukoil, Unocal, Penzoil, Statoil, and others joined with Azerbaijan's state oil company to form the Azerbaijan International Operating Company. Bush family adviser James A. Baker III, who spearheaded George W. Bush's victory in the Florida election dispute, headed the law firm representing this consortium and sat on the U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce advisory council, as did Vice Pres. Dick Cheney before him. But before their investments could produce profits, roadblocks would have to be removed. The biggest was how to get the fuel to markets.

Prior to 9/11, the U.S. government's preferred future route, known as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) project, went from Azerbaijan through Georgia and then south to the Turkish coast. The goal was to reduce reliance on Russia and bring the southern Caucasus into the US fold. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice is a former director of Chevron, a lynchpin of the BTC consortium with extensive operations in Azerbaijan. Until 2000, Cheney was chief executive at Halliburton Co., named a finalist in 2001 to bid on engineering work in the Turkish sector.

Some companies showed more interest in a less expensive route to the Persian Gulf through Iran. But this clashed with official US policy, including a 1995 executive order prohibiting US business with Iran and the 1996 Iran and Libya Sanctions Act, which limited oil investments. A third option was a pipeline from the Dauletebad gas fields in eastern Turkmenistan south through Pakistan to the Arabian Sea, a route across western Afghanistan. After 1995, however, that meant dealing with the Taliban.

This wasn't easy. Although a delegation from Afghanistan visited Washington in February 1997 to secure recognition and meet with Unocal, only two months later the new regime unexpectedly announced that it would award a pipeline contract to the company that started work first. Unocal Pres. John Imle was baffled but refused to give up.

During the summer, a new association chaired by Unocal was formed to promote Turkmenistan-U.S. cooperation. But the Taliban threw another curve ball, announcing that it was leaning toward Bridas. To press its advantage, the Argentina-based company joined forces with another major, Amoco. Still in the game, however, Unocal made some headway with Pakistan, signing a 30-year pricing agreement. Despite complaints, US pressure was paying off. By October, the pieces appeared to be in place. Led by Unocal, Delta, Turkmenistan, Japan's Itochi Oil, Indonesia Petroleum, Crescent Group, and Hyundai became partners in the new Central Asia Gas Pipeline Ltd. (CentGas). Gazprom signed soon after.

Still hoping to win over the Taliban, Unocal invited a delegation to visit corporate headquarters in Sugarland, Texas. The Afghan visitors also met with State Department officials. But the negotiations failed, allegedly because the Taliban wanted too much money. Sensing trouble, Gazprom pulled out of the consortium, leaving Unocal at risk with a 54 percent interest. Shortly thereafter, Unocal Vice Pres. John J. Maresca, later to become a special ambassador to Afghanistan, testified before the US House. Until a single, unified, and friendly government was in place in Afghanistan, he told lawmakers on Feb. 12, 1998, a trans-Afghani pipeline wouldn't be built. The need for a regime change had been put on the table.

By this time, it was quite clear that Afghanistan was one of bin Laden's main operational bases. But the CIA apparently ignored the warnings until the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed. Thirteen days later, the United States retaliated, sending cruise missiles into al Qaeda camps near Khost and Jalalabad. Finally getting the message, Unocal officially suspended its Afghan pipeline plan and pulled out staff throughout the region. Before the end of 1998, it also withdrew from the $2.9 billion Turkmenistan-to-Turkey natural gas project, as well as the Afghan consortium. Unocal's quest for "El Dorado" had been indefinitely postponed.

Taking advantage of an opening, Bridas resumed negotiations with Russia, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan. Shortly, Turkmenistan's foreign minister met with the Taliban's Mullah Omar to discuss the proposed pipeline. Enron also expressed an interest. With $3 billion invested in a plan to build an electrical generating plant at Dabhol, India, it had recently lost access to liquid natural gas supplies from Qatar to fuel the plant. A trans-Afghani gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, terminating near the Pakistan-India border, looked like a promising alternative. Before the end of April 1999, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and the Taliban had sealed an agreement to revive that project.

The Bush family was well acquainted with the bin Ladens long before the Saudi renegade declared war on the United States and its allies in Saudi Arabia's royal family. One of Bush II's former business partners claims to have made his first million in the early 1980s with the aid of a company financed by Osama bin Laden's elder brother, Salem. Both Bush I and II had investments with the Saudi family in the Carlyle Group, a relatively small company that went on to become a large US defense contractor.

Even after the 1998 embassy attacks, the relationship remained cordial. In 1998 and 2000, the first Pres. Bush traveled to Saudi Arabia on behalf of Carlyle, meeting privately with both the Saudi royals and several of Osama's relatives.

Shortly after it moved into the White House, the Bush II administration reportedly told the FBI and intelligence agencies to back off investigations involving the family. The bureau was apparently interested in two bin Laden relatives, Abdullah and Omar, who were living near CIA headquarters in Virginia. A blind spot for Saudi Arabia, as well as Bush family contacts with the bin Ladens, also helps explain why no action was taken when the FBI told the new administration there was clear evidence tying al Qaeda to the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole.

Then-National Security Advisor Rice certainly knew something was up. Her predecessor, Sandy Berger, had briefed her in detail, advising that she would "be spending more time on this issue than on any other." Yet, according to a May 2002 Newsweek cover story, "What Bush Knew," a strategic review "was marginalized and scarcely mentioned in the ensuing months as the administration committed itself to other priorities, like national missile defense (NMD) and Iraq."

The administration didn't ignore the Taliban, however. On the contrary, it offered aid. In May 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a $43 million package for the regime, purportedly to assist hungry farmers who were starving since the destruction of their opium crop on orders from the Taliban's leaders.

By June 2001, the warning signs were obvious for anyone willing to listen. German intelligence had informed both the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." On June 28, CIA Director George Tenet informed Rice that it was "highly likely" that a "significant Qaeda attack" would take place "in the near future." Before he reached Genoa in July for the G-8 summit, Bush obviously understood the danger. Among others, Egyptian Pres. Hosni Mubarak had issued a blunt warning: Someone wanted to crash a plane filled with explosives into the conference site.

But word of imminent US military action was also leaking out. During a meeting with Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in Berlin, three former US officials revealed that Washington was planning military strikes against Afghanistan. They even speculated on the launch date — October 2001.

Unfortunately, Taliban members may also have been in the room, or at least privy to what was said. In any event, the British press later reported that Pakistan's secret service had relayed the news to the Taliban leadership. So much for the element of surprise.

When revelations surfaced that the United States had received credible warnings of an impending attack, officials protested that the information was too vague and that, in any case, Bush II didn't know about the possibility that airplanes might be hijacked until an Aug. 6, 2001, briefing. A key element of this defense was that intelligence available to the CIA never reached the president's desk. True or not, it was the most convenient explanation. However, given the available warnings, not to mention US plans to mount an attack on Afghanistan, the failure to take effective preventive measures looks, at the very least, like a case of willful disregard.

In the weeks after 9/11, national mourning, frustration, and anger, adroitly stoked by the major media, provided a more than adequate justification for the military battle plan hatched months before. A worldwide campaign against terrorism and an alleged "axis of evil" that included Iraq, Iran, and North Korea would have sounded needlessly militant or overly ambitious before 9/11. Afterward, it was hard, even risky, to speak out against the call to war. The order of the day was unity, and whatever the administration needed, Congress (and the public) seemed willing to supply.


This essay is partially excerpted from Uneasy Empire: Repression, Globalization and What We Can Do, and was originally published by The Vermont Guardian and Toward Freedom in September, 2006.

Once again you post data on what happened back in 1998. We have been over this time and again. YES, Unocal was working on a deal for the pipeline back in 1998. The part you keep ignoring is the one where they ceased all plans to do so once we launched missles at Al Queda in Afghanistan.

Since that point in time, they have not changed their minds.

Since that point in time, the oil pipeline was built in Azerbaijan and Georgia to give us the pipeline we wanted from the Caspian, while still allowing us to bypass both Iran and Russia. This route was chosen to avoid the political turmoil in Afghanistan. A far easier option than going to war in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan was a war of retaliation for 9/11. You cannot accept this because of your desire to believe in your idiotic 9/11 conspiracy.

edit.... sorry Froggie, I saw the outdated information once again and thought it was BAC posting it. :)
 
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This thread isn't about the twin towers .. isn't about 9/11. It's about Afghanistan and the all too obvious fraud that it is.

Noticed that you didn't touch that. Take your best shot and debunk it.

not surprised.

By the way, the first article was written two days ago. When was it you said I posted it before?

Never posted the second article either.

If the information all looks the same, it's because they're reading the facts.

You moron... YOU are the one who stated the two were intertwined. That the reason we 'allowed 9/11' to occur was so that we would have an excuse to invade Afghanistan for your pipeline.

I have debunked your idiocy on the pipeline at least 50 times now on various threads.... including several times on this thread. To pretend I haven't addressed Afghanistan is simply you displaying what a complete kool-aid drinking fool you are.

Yes, your first article was written a few days ago... but it does not address anything other than stating 'da pipeline they don't want to talk about'. It did nothing but toss out an idiotic conspiracy theory that you hold so dear.
 
This thread isn't about the twin towers .. isn't about 9/11. It's about Afghanistan and the all too obvious fraud that it is.

Noticed that you didn't touch that. Take your best shot and debunk it.

not surprised.

By the way, the first article was written two days ago. When was it you said I posted it before?

Never posted the second article either.

If the information all looks the same, it's because they're reading the facts.

Also... I couldn't help but notice that you have NOTHING to back up your moronic claims on the towers. All you ever do is point to the two laws and pretend that by stating them somehow your point is made.

Had you actually read the peer reviewed scientific articles rather than drinking kool-aid, you would have noticed that the towers did not fall at free fall speed. You would have also noticed all your other 'facts' were also explained by SCIENCE.
 
Also... I couldn't help but notice that you have NOTHING to back up your moronic claims on the towers. All you ever do is point to the two laws and pretend that by stating them somehow your point is made.

Had you actually read the peer reviewed scientific articles rather than drinking kool-aid, you would have noticed that the towers did not fall at free fall speed. You would have also noticed all your other 'facts' were also explained by SCIENCE.
Theory of Relativity!

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Now, can you say your articles said things like "Thermodynamics!" like I just did, because that's science and stuff! Your mathematically sound articles based on the actual findings of structural engineers and scientists mean nothing when I say, "Law of Gravity!"
 
Theory of Relativity!

...

Now, can you say your articles said things like "Thermodynamics!" like I just did, because that's science and stuff! Your mathematically sound articles based on the actual findings of structural engineers and scientists mean nothing when I say, "Law of Gravity!"

DARWIN!!!!

That is all I shall state from now on when discussing this with BAC... because that will prove he is next in line to be an award winner.
 
It looked exactly like a controlled demolition. They "just so happened" to be running drills that morning with 'fake' hijacked planes in new york , which confused fighter pilots?

Totally an inside job.


It's ironic, Van Jones belief in 9/11conspiracies was his only redeeming factor.
 
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