We're #37!!

zoombwaz said:
That is not my assertion. That's a straw man argument, yet another logical fallacy from you. It is my asssertion that profit has a limited role in innovation, one nowhere near the potency you ascribe to it, and in any case IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH INNOVATION WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DELIVER IT TO OUR OWN PEOPLE. IF OTHER NATIONS ARE DELIVERING AMERICAN MEDICAL INNOVATIONS TO THEIR CITIZENS WHILE WE ARE UNABLE TO DELIVER OUR OWN WORK TO OUR OWN PEOPLE, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A PRETTY FUCKED UP SYSTEM.

Thank you so much for proving my point.

BTW, I was wrong about you bringing a rubber knife to an intellectual gun fight. Your knife is papier mache. And it's still wet. And you've got a big smear of library paste on your left cheek, a sure sign you're eating the paste.

Again.
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The world needs health innovation to continually occur.


How does profit only play a limited role in innovation? Defend that, tiny-brained being.
 
AssHatZombie said:
The world needs health innovation to continually occur.


How does profit only play a limited role in innovation? Defend that, tiny-brained being.
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Why does much of the drug advances happen in countries with socialized medicine?

How many of the major drug copmpanies are US based?
 
30 out of 192 isn't so bad. Why do we always have to be number 1 at everything? Relax. Most poor people that can't afford healthcare are stupid, and we don't want stupid people breeding anyway.
 
Topspin said:
most of it happens here
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Developed by non US companies here in the USA?
And then is manufactured offshore?
By non US owned companies.
Sold back to the USA for 10X the price charged in other countries.
What is wrong with this picture?
 
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Topspin said:
I don't give a shit what third world org study you found.
People fly here when they are dying you tool.
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Third world org? The Central Intelligence Agency is a third world org? And you call me retarded? Holy jumping Jesus Christ!

Yeah, people fly here. Rich people. We do great at health care for the rich. The rest of us can go pound sand, eh? But as long as the rich can fly here for treatment, it doesn't matter what happens to the rest of us. Brilliant reasoning.

You guys just can't make a comment without proving my point, can you?
 
zoombwaz said:
Third world org? The Central Intelligence Agency is a third world org? And you call me retarded? Holy jumping Jesus Christ!

Yeah, people fly here. Rich people. We do great at health care for the rich. The rest of us can go pound sand, eh? But as long as the rich can fly here for treatment, it doesn't matter what happens to the rest of us. Brilliant reasoning.

You guys just can't make a comment without proving my point, can you?
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You miss the point. Implement your stupidity and our system will be unable to provide, just like the ones they flee when they can.
 
zoombwaz said:
That is not my assertion. That's a straw man argument, yet another logical fallacy from you. It is my asssertion that profit has a limited role in innovation, one nowhere near the potency you ascribe to it, and in any case IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH INNOVATION WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DELIVER IT TO OUR OWN PEOPLE. IF OTHER NATIONS ARE DELIVERING AMERICAN MEDICAL INNOVATIONS TO THEIR CITIZENS WHILE WE ARE UNABLE TO DELIVER OUR OWN WORK TO OUR OWN PEOPLE, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A PRETTY FUCKED UP SYSTEM.

Thank you so much for proving my point.

BTW, I was wrong about you bringing a rubber knife to an intellectual gun fight. Your knife is papier mache. And it's still wet. And you've got a big smear of library paste on your left cheek, a sure sign you're eating the paste.

Again.
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These rankings are based on subjective material... such as "fairness"

When you look at responsiveness of the healthcare system to its constituents you get....

"Responsiveness: The nations with the most responsive health systems are the United States, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden. The reason these are all advanced industrial nations is that a number of the elements of responsiveness depend strongly on the availability of resources. In addition, many of these countries were the first to begin addressing the responsiveness of their health systems to people’s needs."

"Responsiveness: Responsiveness includes two major components. These are (a) respect for persons (including dignity, confidentiality and autonomy of individuals and families to decide about their own health); and (b) client orientation (including prompt attention, access to social support networks during care, quality of basic amenities and choice of provider)."

I suggest people read the following if they want to know more about the other areas that are a part of these reports....

http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html
 
What are you talkin bout' Merica's got the best of everthin... What are you a comunist?
 
Bottom line is this, America provides the best level of care when it comes to technology, quality of care, responsiveness of care and privacy of care.

That said, we do have to fix the cost problem. Defensive medicinal practices have to stop. But that won't happen until we see tort reform. In addition, we need to ensure that when tort reform does lower malpractice premiums (see TX) that we see subsequent decreases in hospital/doctors charges. This would lead then to the ability of insurance companies to lower individual premiums as well.

In addition, the elimination (as much as possible) of defensive medicine will also reduce the demand for the drugs/machines etc... that are used in these practices.
 
Additionally, we need a national focus on healthier eating habits and the benefits of exercise. The more obese we become as a nation, the greater our long term health costs will be.
 
Superfreak said:
Bottom line is this, America provides the best level of care when it comes to technology, quality of care, responsiveness of care and privacy of care.

That said, we do have to fix the cost problem. Defensive medicinal practices have to stop. But that won't happen until we see tort reform. In addition, we need to ensure that when tort reform does lower malpractice premiums (see TX) that we see subsequent decreases in hospital/doctors charges. This would lead then to the ability of insurance companies to lower individual premiums as well.

In addition, the elimination (as much as possible) of defensive medicine will also reduce the demand for the drugs/machines etc... that are used in these practices.
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I do not believe defensive medicine is really that much of a cost. Doctors use it as a convient excuse to order LOTS of tests and procedures that they get PAID to perform, and when they get called on it they say... DEFENSIVE MEDICINE all the way to the bank!
 
Superfreak said:
Additionally, we need a national focus on healthier eating habits and the benefits of exercise. The more obese we become as a nation, the greater our long term health costs will be.
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I see.... A little exersize will solve the problem...!
 
blackascoal said:
Zoom .. told you.
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Yeah, to quote Ron white, "You can't fix stupid," and old Assbite there has a terminal case of rectal-cranial insertion. I'd quote my beloved icon and say, "That boy's about as sharp as a bowling ball," but that would be a mortal insult to bowling balls everywhere, and I don't want to run afoul of the BBADL (Bowling Ball Anti Defamation League). Those suckers take no prisoners (afternoon leaues forming now! Fun for the whole family! Stop into your local AMF Bowling Center for details!), so i'll play it safe with another Foghorn quote: "reminds me of Paul Revere's ride...a little light in the belfry."
 
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