BartenderElite
Verified User
It's not "wrong." Trump is a pathological liar. Over 10,000 verifiable lies. And he tried to overthrow our gov't.
Trump supporters, fair question...
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It's not "wrong." Trump is a pathological liar. Over 10,000 verifiable lies. And he tried to overthrow our gov't.
This feels like a dark age to you?
christiefan915
Catalyst
Where does it say that the president has that power? It says "whoever."
§2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title18-section2071&num=0&edition=prelim
wont see that in a single article but its standard procedure to catalog records. and how else would Archives know to ask for 15 boxes in the spring if they did not know which boxes they were missing ?
It has gotten to the point that people no longer feel safe gay bashing.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Is the query only limited to "Trump supporters" ?
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
What do you speculate is in those documents?
BidenPresident
Verified User
Doesn't matter.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
It may be, but how that investigation is handled is the question. Would a subpoena suffice? What about just asking him?
This is a leading question in the form of a fallacy of exclusive premises. How would you know if Trump lied? How would someone know for sure what documents he had?
Less than a month before this, the FBI had been given access to the location(s) at Mar-a-Lago where the documents in question were stored, accompanied by persons from the national archives, and by the FBI's own admission cooperated fully letting the national archives take the documents they wanted. So, the counter question is, Given several previous visits to Trump's home and being given access, along with Trump personally cooperating during those visits, why the sudden need to stage a massive, armed raid on his home?
BartenderElite
Verified User
Gondwanaland
Verified User
They got 15 boxes and yet did not recieve everything. Thus why they got 12 boxes in this raid. Oh, and they discovered in June, while investigators were there, that he was fucking literally storing these classified documents in a fucking basement storage unit WITHOUT A MOTHERFUCKING LOCK ON IT.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
40 + FBI agents armed with automatic rifles, submachineguns, and other firearms? A boat off in the boat channel behind the residence equipped with a machinegun? The Agents mostly wearing body armor? Dozens of vehicles, including some with armor? How would you characterize it?
Gondwanaland
Verified User
Trump isn't known for respecting or submitting to subpoenas.
They did. For a year. They managed to get some boxes back (containing classified materials and damaged and destroyed documents). They know they didn't get everything back and have been trying for months to do so. In June some investigators went to the resort and were allowed to inspect some more boxes of documents, and discovered they were stored where those otehr classified boxes were stored, and that the storage place in the basement had no lock on it. That means likely criminal charges, and potentially Espionage Act violations.
Because they know what was missing.
BartenderElite
Verified User
You make it sound like Waco.
Give me a break. It was a SEARCH. Trump isn't above the law.
Maybe you guys will have a bit more understanding of BLM now that a simple search has driven you all to madness.
they askede for fifteen and got them. as they continued onboarding administaration records they found others missing.
so why did they just ask for those like in the spring ?
HRC had her data on a computer unprotected from the internet (so they got hacked). Try getting into some basement in Mar-a-Lago to russle through boxes of papers. If you are lucky you will end up in jail as likely you end p as gator chow.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Well, it pretty much was if you leave out the gunfire and then the massive attack on the compound... At Waco, a mass of ATF agents showed up at a compound where the occupants were known to be anti-government and rather than trying to knock on a door and ask, they immediately attacked the compound. The people inside fought back. The ATF needlessly escalated the situation. If all they wanted was Koresh, they could have arrested him when he went into Waco on one of his frequent trips.
What the ATF wanted, wasn't an arrest. They wanted a publicity stunt. That's why the press and media were invited along. The FBI and DoJ are doing the same thing now.
BartenderElite
Verified User
Trump's an American citizen, and he's subject to its laws. Classified documents are no joke, and have tremendous bearing on U.S. national security. The authorities have to pass a high bar to search someone's home.
Maybe, just maybe, we should see how it plays out. I wonder what people who are using terms like "Gestapo tactics" will say if Trump compromised our national security, and broke the law.
There has never been a former president who has been a fucking traitor and an insurrectionist, AssWipe. Of course they are treating this disgusting piece of shit differently. He is different. He is a traitor and a thief.
When are you people going to wake up and stand for America...rather than that dictator wanna-be?
When are you people going to stop aiding and abetting a traitor and an insurrectionist.
I hope it does.
Their attitude toward Trump, and the incredible damage he has done to our nation, is one of the most horrible things to ever happen during my lifetime.
