Scientific Evidence of God

Dixie said:
That's undoubtedly the dumbest most shallow-minded thing I have ever read here!
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Designed specifically for you, my dear boy.
Anyway it is not a point for debate. You may choose to agree or disagree. Doesn't worry me. I know they haven't got me and anyone with more than half a brain will see the truth.
Dont worry about it. Go to bed (try not to wet it tonight) and start a new day of servitude tomorrow.
 
Lowaicue said:
Designed specifically for you, my dear boy.
Anyway it is not a point for debate. You may choose to agree or disagree. Doesn't worry me. I know they haven't got me and anyone with more than half a brain will see the truth.
Dont worry about it. Go to bed (try not to wet it tonight) and start a new day of servitude tomorrow.
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No, we actually know from science it takes an advanced cerebral cortex for man to have spirituality, and lesser intelligent species do not have this capacity... like you!
 
Dixie said:
This is your presumption, and it is your starting point for any further examination, you have closed your mind to the fact that another possibility exists and your presumption could be incorrect. Nothing you have shown, or Damo, or anyone else, is conclusive proof that mankind invented spirituality. You can form an opinion, you can presume, you can assume, and you can theorize, but you simply can't say that we know something that hasn't been proven, that is faith.
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anyone that possesses the ability to actually THINK logically about the subject would realize that mankind CAN'T have just magically started worshiping things. They HAD to have thought about it. People don't just magically start to worship deities that don't exist. They don't worship things they understand. They worshiped things that they DIDN'T understand. Just as has been stated to you many times over. But you want to desperately cling to your 'spirituality has been around forever and ever and ever' argument.

Your problem is that you are incapable of thinking this through logically. While you are correct that we cannot PROVE exactly what man was thinking 100k years ago, LOGIC dictates that your 'theory' makes absolutely NO SENSE.

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Superfreak said:
anyone that possesses the ability to actual THINK logically about the subject would realize that mankind CAN'T have just magically started worshiping things. They HAD to have thought about it. People don't just magically start to worship deities that don't exist. They don't worship things they understand. They worshiped things that they DIDN'T understand. Just as has been stated to you many times over. But you want to desperately cling to your 'spirituality has been around forever and ever and ever' argument.

Your problem is that you are incapable of thinking this through logically. While you are correct that we cannot PROVE exactly what man was thinking 100k years ago, LOGIC dictates that your 'theory' makes absolutely NO SENSE.
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No, it is illogical to conclude and say you know what happened, when you simply don't know and can't prove what happened. That is what you and Damo keep trying to do, and it doesn't work like that. If you want to say something is not possible, you must prove it is impossible, otherwise, the possibility does exist.

Truth is, we simply do not know how man came to understand spirituality. There IS the possibility that spirituality preceded rational thought, human intelligence, curiosity, inquisitiveness, and all the rest. I am not claiming it did, just that it IS possible. You see, my perspective is not that of a closed-minded bigot, like you and Damo. I allow that I might be totally wrong in my opinion, and that it is only an opinion, not a fact. I also acknowledge that other theories may be correct, or there could be a possibility we haven't even considered as of yet. My position is that of open-minded and objective reasoning, not presuming things, or dis-including possibilities.

...mankind CAN'T have just magically started worshiping things. They HAD to have thought about it. People don't just magically start to worship deities that don't exist.

Again, clear and concise evidence you have prejudiced your mind against any and all other possibility. They CAN'T have.... it's IMPOSSIBLE... When no one has ever proven this is impossible! It is just as possible that mankind was bestowed the ability to think and reason, by a spiritual entity when it created mankind! No, mankind didn't magically start worshiping a deity that didn't exist, it began worshiping one that DID exist, to honor it for bestowing humanity upon the species! Why is this not just as possible as what you claim? Were you there? Did you witness mankind invent spirituality?
 
Dixie said:
No, we actually know from science it takes an advanced cerebral cortex for man to have spirituality, and lesser intelligent species do not have this capacity... like you!
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I am sure you are right. Sweet dreams. Don't forget to check beneath your bed for ghoulies and ghosties and four legged beasties.
You are doing well, Dixie. You are remembering all the debating points your pastor has taught you. Of course he has a brain - after all he is taking YOUR money, its not the other way round.
Remember that, just because one thing cannot be proven, its opposite is not made true.
 
Lowaicue said:
I am sure you are right. Sweet dreams. Don't forget to check beneath your bed for ghoulies and ghosties and four legged beasties.
You are doing well, Dixie. You are remembering all the debating points your pastor has taught you. Of course he has a brain - after all he is taking YOUR money, its not the other way round.
Remember that, just because one thing cannot be proven, its opposite is not made true.
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First of all, I have no pastor. Secondly, I don't give money to religious organizations other than Salvation Army.

I will remember what you say about proof and making things true, but I really think you need to explain that to Damo and Super, they seem to be having trouble understanding that.
 
Dixie said:
"No, it is illogical to conclude and say you know what happened, when you simply don't know and can't prove what happened. That is what you and Damo keep trying to do, and it doesn't work like that. If you want to say something is not possible, you must prove it is impossible, otherwise, the possibility does exist. "

1) I did not state I knew what happened. To the contrary, I stated we can not KNOW what happened.

2) However, we can use deductive reasoning to eliminate your theory. To say that spirituality preceded rational thought is simply ignorant. If that were the case, then why would it occur only in humans? Your 'logic' fails you.

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Truth is, we simply do not know how man came to understand spirituality. There IS the possibility that spirituality preceded rational thought, human intelligence, curiosity, inquisitiveness, and all the rest. I am not claiming it did, just that it IS possible. You see, my perspective is not that of a closed-minded bigot, like you and Damo. I allow that I might be totally wrong in my opinion, and that it is only an opinion, not a fact. I also acknowledge that other theories may be correct, or there could be a possibility we haven't even considered as of yet. My position is that of open-minded and objective reasoning, not presuming things, or dis-including possibilities. "

No ditzie... it is not possible. You are not using objective reasoning or any type of reason for that matter. If you were, you would see the ignorance in your theory.

...mankind CAN'T have just magically started worshiping things. They HAD to have thought about it. People don't just magically start to worship deities that don't exist.

Again, clear and concise evidence you have prejudiced your mind against any and all other possibility. They CAN'T have.... it's IMPOSSIBLE... When no one has ever proven this is impossible! It is just as possible that mankind was bestowed the ability to think and reason, by a spiritual entity when it created mankind! No, mankind didn't magically start worshiping a deity that didn't exist, it began worshiping one that DID exist, to honor it for bestowing humanity upon the species! Why is this not just as possible as what you claim? Were you there? Did you witness mankind invent spirituality?
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Again dear ditzie, your theory goes against logic. But now we see that you are back to spinning. Now all of the sudden spirituality was bestowed upon mankind by a deity? Even if there was a deity ditzie.... it would have to bestow rational thought FIRST. Otherwise manking would not be capable of understanding a concept such as worshiping the deity.
 
Superfreak said:
Again dear ditzie, your theory goes against logic. But now we see that you are back to spinning. Now all of the sudden spirituality was bestowed upon mankind by a deity? Even if there was a deity ditzie.... it would have to bestow rational thought FIRST. Otherwise manking would not be capable of understanding a concept such as worshiping the deity.
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I don't know (and didn't say) if it was a deity. Maybe it was a little green man who came here and saw advanced apes living in caves, and taught them how to unlock the secrets of the human mind, then got in his space ship and left? Maybe they started praying to the skies in remembrance of their guest, who gave them the know-how to reason and think? All kinds of possibilities exist, until you close your mind to possibility and draw conclusions based on incomplete information. Once you've done that, nothing else makes logical sense, I agree.
 
To say that spirituality preceded rational thought is simply ignorant. If that were the case, then why would it occur only in humans?
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????.....uh, Superfreak?......only humans engage in either spirituality or rational thought.........
 
Dixie said:
I don't know (and didn't say) if it was a deity. Maybe it was a little green man who came here and saw advanced apes living in caves, and taught them how to unlock the secrets of the human mind, then got in his space ship and left? Maybe they started praying to the skies in remembrance of their guest, who gave them the know-how to reason and think? All kinds of possibilities exist, until you close your mind to possibility and draw conclusions based on incomplete information. Once you've done that, nothing else makes logical sense, I agree.
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In that scenario... once again.... cognitive ability/reasoning etc.... came FIRST.

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Superfreak said:
In that scenario... once again.... cognitive ability/reasoning etc.... came FIRST.
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The scenario I presented doesn't involve a supernatural entity, it involves an extraterrestrial one. Perhaps cognitive ability/reasoning came at the same time as spirituality? Maybe it was a 'total package' kind of thing? The point is, you don't know the answer, and neither do I... and Damo doesn't know the answer either, for that matter.

You can theorize and speculate, and I applaud your imagination, but I can't sit here and let you claim your presumptions and assumptions are proven facts. From YOUR perspective, it makes "logical" sense, but this is because you already have preconceived notions of what you believe. You have closed your mind to any other possibility and have drawn a conclusion, based on what you believe happened. Damn if it doesn't sound remarkably like religious faith to me!
 
Dixie said:
The scenario I presented doesn't involve a supernatural entity, it involves an extraterrestrial one. Perhaps cognitive ability/reasoning came at the same time as spirituality? Maybe it was a 'total package' kind of thing? The point is, you don't know the answer, and neither do I... and Damo doesn't know the answer either, for that matter.

You can theorize and speculate, and I applaud your imagination, but I can't sit here and let you claim your presumptions and assumptions are proven facts. From YOUR perspective, it makes "logical" sense, but this is because you already have preconceived notions of what you believe. You have closed your mind to any other possibility and have drawn a conclusion, based on what you believe happened. Damn if it doesn't sound remarkably like religious faith to me!
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No, you ignorant little twit... you stated that the little green man came and taught them, then left, THEN they started to worship him.

I will let you in on a secret... one you cannot seem to get your tiny little mind to grasp.... people do NOT worship without a REASON for doing so.

You fucking idiot.
 
Superfreak said:
No, you ignorant little twit... you stated that the little green man came and taught them, then left, THEN they started to worship him.

I will let you in on a secret... one you cannot seem to get your tiny little mind to grasp.... people do NOT worship without a REASON for doing so.

You fucking idiot.
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We're making progress! You now admit that mankind certainly has a REASON to worship! Hmmm, wonder if that REASON would include the remotest possibility that God is real? Let's examine the evidence... Man has apparently had a good enough REASON to worship for as far back as we can study human existence, and through centuries of wars, persecutions, genocides, and death, man still maintains a strong REASON to worship. It doesn't make any logical sense that this REASON would be trivial or without a real fundamental basis. It would have to be a profoundly important REASON to have remained such an ingrained part of humanity.
 
Dixie said:
We're making progress! You now admit that mankind certainly has a REASON to worship! Hmmm, wonder if that REASON would include the remotest possibility that God is real? Let's examine the evidence... Man has apparently had a good enough REASON to worship for as far back as we can study human existence, and through centuries of wars, persecutions, genocides, and death, man still maintains a strong REASON to worship. It doesn't make any logical sense that this REASON would be trivial or without a real fundamental basis. It would have to be a profoundly important REASON to have remained such an ingrained part of humanity.
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You truly are a fool. I never said mankind doesn't have 'reasons' to worship. I listed several REASONS as to why mankind worships. You fucking idiot.

If you look throughout history ditzie, you will find that mankind has shifted between what he worships. As stated many times before, it has predominantly been things mankind did not understand. (worship of the sun, gods of weather etc...) Then when we began understanding such things, we saw worship of 'all powerful deities' which 'explained' things we didn't comprehend.

Bottom line is this ditzie... as stated... you are a fucking idiot. Man has ALWAYS had a REASON for worshipping the things/beings that he has. Which means man CREATED spirituality.
 
Superfreak said:
You truly are a fool. I never said mankind doesn't have 'reasons' to worship. I listed several REASONS as to why mankind worships. You fucking idiot.

If you look throughout history ditzie, you will find that mankind has shifted between what he worships. As stated many times before, it has predominantly been things mankind did not understand. (worship of the sun, gods of weather etc...) Then when we began understanding such things, we saw worship of 'all powerful deities' which 'explained' things we didn't comprehend.

Bottom line is this ditzie... as stated... you are a fucking idiot. Man has ALWAYS had a REASON for worshipping the things/beings that he has. Which means man CREATED spirituality.
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Doesn't PROVE man created it. Sorry!
 
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