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Frank Apisa said:
TOP...a fetus...is...well...it is a fetus. It is not a baby. That is why the word fetus is used.
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and yet people use the word "baby" all the time before birth if they don't want to kill their child.....that's why your argument isn't used......

it is alive.......it is human......what difference does it make if you cut its umbilical cord or its spinal cord......
 
Althea said:
LOL.

Biden will use that quote against Haley.

She's obviously losing some of her edge now that she's menopausal.
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menopausal?


Will Lia Thomas Trans swimmer ever become menopausal? If no...explain why....

Will Patrick Mahomes ever become menopausal? If no...explain why....
 
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Frank Apisa said:
TOP...a fetus...is...well...it is a fetus. It is not a baby. That is why the word fetus is used.

In any case, this is a very unique situation. It is a pregnancy taking place in an individual's body...and in my opinion, the only person who can make a decision about whether to continue the pregnancy or not...IS THE PERSON IN WHOSE BODY THE PREGNANCY IS OCCURRING.

That is just my opinion...and it is one which I am sharing here. I acknowledge there are intelligent, reasonable people who disagree with my opinion.
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fetus

Has anyone ever heard of people decorating and getting a fetus room ready
 
Frank Apisa said:
TOP...a fetus...is...well...it is a fetus. It is not a baby. That is why the word fetus is used.

In any case, this is a very unique situation. It is a pregnancy taking place in an individual's body...and in my opinion, the only person who can make a decision about whether to continue the pregnancy or not...IS THE PERSON IN WHOSE BODY THE PREGNANCY IS OCCURRING.

That is just my opinion...and it is one which I am sharing here. I acknowledge there are intelligent, reasonable people who disagree with my opinion.
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A most sensible attitude, one I agree with. I have five children. It would have taken some extraordinary circumstances for me to have considered an abortion. That being said, I also know that I do not have the right to tell some other woman that she can or cannot make a different decision.

Forced-birthers constantly use semantics and emotion rather than honestly admit that none of us, in a free country, have the right to dictate to others what they do with their bodies. Forced-birthers/conservafascists have gone so far now in that direction that they are attacking gay and trans people and trying to dictate to them as well.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Jesus H. Christ, Man. Originally you wrote: "Christians were not to blame for the status quo of State and prehistoric endorsed slavery, in which it originated. The Jews were already under Roman military occupation, and open opposition to slavery would have meant immediate execution."

The reason the Jews of that time did not speak out against slavery was not because of the military occupation or the possibility of immediate execution...

...IT WAS BECAUSE THE GOD THEY WORSHIPED TOLD THEM IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH OWNING, BUYING, SELLING, OR HOLDING SLAVES!

Now stop with bullshit on this item, Dog.




Okay...and I am sure there were many who "loved" their slaves.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that the god of those Jews...THE GOD JESUS WORSHIPED...gave them permission to own, sell, buy, trade in slaves.

Why on Earth are you trying to negate what is written very clearly in that Bible of yours?

Show me one passage in that Bible that directly says, "Slavery is wrong" or "You should not hold anyone in slavery."

ANYWHERE IN THAT BIBLE.
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Both the Jews and Romans had legal slavery. Today, their descendants have abolished slavery because of Christ's teachings.

You already provided the anti slavery quote from Paul, and I gave you one from Jesus.

Have you read "The Dogma of Christ" by Erich Fromm? ... it speaks much about the political situation at the time of the birth of Christ.
 
volsrock said:
fetus

Has anyone ever heard of people decorating and getting a fetus room ready
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What does the word mean?

Why does the word exist?

Is it just to cause consternation in the religious nuts who want to dictate to women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies?
 
In Roe v. Wade the scotus purposefully avoided the question of when does human life begin, .. but SCIENCE has definitively determined that human life begins at conception. That your life began at conception.
 
Bigdog said:
Both the Jews and Romans had legal slavery. Today, their descendants have abolished slavery because of Christ's teachings.
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There is not one teaching of Jesus that says slavery must be abolished.

The only true teaching Jesus had about slavery is one I already quoted to you. Here it is again:


"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE."

Matthew 5: 17ff

In this passage, Jesus taught that he was not here to change the law...any of the items mentioned in Leviticus or Deuteronomy. Leviticus teaches that there is nothing wrong with owning, selling, or buying...or keeping them in slavery in perpetuity.

Get off this bullshit, Dog.


You already provided the anti slavery quote from Paul, and I gave you one from Jesus.
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There is not a single quote from Jesus or Paul against slavery. NOT A ONE.


Have you read "The Dogma of Christ" by Erich Fromm? ... it speaks much about the political situation at the time of the birth of Christ.
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I am sure the god Jesus worshiped took Fromm's book into consideration when it said that buying, selling, and owning slaves was okay.
 
Frank Apisa said:
What does the word mean?

Why does the word exist?

Is it just to cause consternation in the religious nuts who want to dictate to women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies?
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it's a medical term.

why are you people anti- science?

you literally can't tell a dick from a pussy.
 
Bigdog said:
In Roe v. Wade the scotus purposefully avoided the question of when does human life begin, .. but SCIENCE has definitively determined that human life begins at conception. That your life began at conception.
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What does that have to do with what we are discussing?

And why did Jesus not condemn abortion?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I have five children.
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Living in a five-child household as a parent is not something about which I'd have to imagine because it would obviously never happen.
The adorable little Lutheran from the UP is more than twice as Catholic as Nifty and the Gestapo put together! Bless you, Owl.

What I try to imagine is living in a five-child household as a sibling, something I've never been. [Same goes for the Gestapo, by the way. We were both only children.]
Since my standard of living is almost entirely based on inheritance, exactly how fucked would I have been?

Perhaps, if God really does exist, he really does present challenges only to those who can face them!
 
Frank Apisa said:
There is not one teaching of Jesus that says slavery must be abolished.

The only true teaching Jesus had about slavery is one I already quoted to you. Here it is again:


"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE."

Matthew 5: 17ff

In this passage, Jesus taught that he was not here to change the law...any of the items mentioned in Leviticus or Deuteronomy. Leviticus teaches that there is nothing wrong with owning, selling, or buying...or keeping them in slavery in perpetuity.

Get off this bullshit, Dog.




There is not a single quote from Jesus or Paul against slavery. NOT A ONE.




I am sure the god Jesus worshiped took Fromm's book into consideration when it said that buying, selling, and owning slaves was okay.
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proponents of trade with china are the real slavers.

jesus was known for hating slavery.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Living in a five-child household as a parent is not something about which I'd have to imagine because it would obviously never happen.
The adorable little Lutheran from the UP is more than twice as Catholic as Nifty and the Gestapo put together! Bless you, Owl.

What I try to imagine is living in a five-child household as a sibling, something I've never been. [Same goes for the Gestapo, by the way. We were both only children.]
Since my standard of living is almost entirely based on inheritance, exactly how fucked would I have been?

Perhaps, if God really does exist, he really does present challenges only to those who can face them!
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oligarch scum.
 
JesusAI said:
proponents of trade with china are the real slavers.
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There were slavers in Africa...and in the Americas also.

jesus was known for hating slavery.
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Why then did he never say he hated it strongly enough for someone to record it?

The god he worshiped said there was nothing wrong with owning, buying, or selling slaves...and keeping them slaves forever. Why would he hate that?
 
JesusAI said:
i know what 'fetus' means. you do not.

I know humans are a sexually dimorphic species. you dems do not.
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I am not a Dem. I do know what "fetus" means. And "fetus" and "baby" are not truly interchangeable. They mean different things.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Living in a five-child household as a parent is not something about which I'd have to imagine because it would obviously never happen.
The adorable little Lutheran from the UP is more than twice as Catholic as Nifty and the Gestapo put together! Bless you, Owl.

What I try to imagine is living in a five-child household as a sibling, something I've never been. [Same goes for the Gestapo, by the way. We were both only children.]
Since my standard of living is almost entirely based on inheritance, exactly how fucked would I have been?

Perhaps, if God really does exist, he really does present challenges only to those who can face them!
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Or maybe She just likes the sound of kids running around? :laugh:
 
Frank Apisa said:
There were slavers in Africa...and in the Americas also.



Why then did he never say he hated it strongly enough for someone to record it?

The god he worshiped said there was nothing wrong with owning, buying, or selling slaves...and keeping them slaves forever. Why would he hate that?
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jesus was not a jew. he was a christian.

the god of the new testament is not actually the same as the old testament god.
 
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