obama won't accept current war options for afghanistan

[Damocles]

You still haven't produced anything to suggest that troops are facing increasing risk because Obama has not yet decided whether to pursue the McChrystal policy. The overall mission may be at risk if McChrystal's recommendations aren't implements (although opinions differ on that score) but there is no indication that the troops face increased risk.

In fact, the McChrystal plan, if implemented, will certainly increase the risk to troops on the ground.

I produced stuff that "suggested" it, but nothing would prove it to you, because you don't want to see it.

I understand that. It's just like the Bushites who loved him so much that when I spoke against him for the same reason in Iraq (took him 4 YEARS to catch on) they said much the same things. Some people just cannot get past which "team" they are on and fall for whatever is fed to them but I refuse to be part of that.

 

[Damocles]

Have you forgotten Obama had already increased the troops levels in Afganistan?

That is why the deaths have increased.

The deaths have increased because he is vacillating, even the Taliban knows that it can be most effective if such increases happen just as he is making such heavy decisions, while not increasing to the levels requested from the Generals. No better chance for them to "win" will ever present itself. The troops are more vulnerable than they will ever be in the future, and he may decide that this "war of necessity" isn't really all that necessary and they'll win.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Have you forgotten Obama had already increased the troops levels in Afganistan?

That is why the deaths have increased.

do you have proof that this why the deaths have been so high? i don't think so....the surge in iraq did not result in more US troops deaths, they decreased, so you ASSumption is nothing but your sad attempt to defend obama at all costs....you know, hack behavior

do you even realize you admitting that obama then has caused the highest number of monthly deaths since the war started....and yet he continues to dither....cheney accused him of that 3 weeks ago, it seemed a bit early, but now 3 weeks later...is it possible cheney is right?

 

[Bonestorm]

The deaths have increased because he is vacillating, even the Taliban knows that it can be most effective if such increases happen just as he is making such heavy decisions, while not increasing to the levels requested from the Generals. No better chance for them to "win" will ever present itself. The troops are more vulnerable than they will ever be in the future, and he may decide that this "war of necessity" isn't really all that necessary and they'll win.

Again, you saying that over and over and over again doesn't make it so. And your sources don't suggest anything. You're seeing what you want to see.

All I see is a grilled cheese sandwich and you see the Virgin Mary.

 

[evince]

Obama tried to up the anti in Afganistan already, the results were not as effective as he had hoped.

I think he is realizing its bail time becuase the facts on the ground will not allow any good outcome militarily.

We have a spread thin military that needs a shit load of rebuilding and would likely have to start a draft to optain the boots on the ground to do it right.

Its bail time

 

[evince]

do you have proof that this why the deaths have been so high? i don't think so....the surge in iraq did not result in more US troops deaths, they decreased, so you ASSumption is nothing but your sad attempt to defend obama at all costs....you know, hack behavior

do you even realize you admitting that obama then has caused the highest number of monthly deaths since the war started....and yet he continues to dither....cheney accused him of that 3 weeks ago, it seemed a bit early, but now 3 weeks later...is it possible cheney is right?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124919986378699441.html


read this and realize everyone who knows anything knows it was troop increase.

U.S., Afghan and allied officials say the spike in deaths is the result of two colliding factors: a big infusion of U.S. soldiers and Marines, thousands of whom are now pressing deep into Taliban strongholds in the country's south; and a push by insurgents to violently intimidate as many ordinary Afghans as they can ahead of presidential elections scheduled for Aug. 20.

 

[Damocles]

Again, you saying that over and over and over again doesn't make it so. And your sources don't suggest anything. You're seeing what you want to see.

All I see is a grilled cheese sandwich and you see the Virgin Mary.

And again, I realize that you would never recognize that two plus two is four if it came from a source that also reported anything at all about Obama that wasn't what you want to hear, but it doesn't change what is real or my, shown to be accurate in both Iraq and Afghanistan, assessment of what is happening there.

You worship the grilled cheese so much that you refuse to see the mold on the bread.

They most certainly do suggest exactly what I have shown them to suggest, that they are not overt evidence (which you still wouldn't take as a "suggestion" of anything) doesn't change that they suggest exactly what they were said to suggest. It just shows exactly what I said earlier, that you are a worshiper just like those fools who could see no wrong in how Bush was handling Iraq.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124919986378699441.html


read this and realize everyone who knows anything knows it was troop increase.

U.S., Afghan and allied officials say the spike in deaths is the result of two colliding factors: a big infusion of U.S. soldiers and Marines, thousands of whom are now pressing deep into Taliban strongholds in the country's south; and a push by insurgents to violently intimidate as many ordinary Afghans as they can ahead of presidential elections scheduled for Aug. 20.

then obviously obama did not send enough troops...bush did to iraq and deaths went down....thank you for admitting obama screwed up and continues to screw up by not sending more troops....

 

[Jarod]

Holy moley!

I spent 6 years saying that it was unconscionable that he didn't increase troop levels high enough to give security in Iraq, that if you are going to do that, no matter how much I thought it was stupid, you have to do it right. And then when the surge began I said, "What took him so long, and why only that much?"

You fricking know I have. I am right, aren't I? This is a sign of partisan hack memory syndrome, isn't it?

Iraq yes, Afganistan no!

 

[evince]

Yurt Bush fired generals for suggesting more troops and it took him years to increase the troop levels in Iraq. He starved Afganistan his entire time in office and you cheered his "desiding" at every turn.

Obama moved troops to Afganistan in an attempt to make progress. Now I think he is facing the facts that Bush so screwed up OUR Military, the will of the people and the country itself that there is no good Military outcome to be had with our current state of military preparedness.

Were fucked and you and Bush did the fucking.

 

[evince]

No comments on the fact that troop increases caused the increased death toll?

 

[Damocles]

Iraq yes, Afganistan no!

You think I would suddenly be afraid of saying it about Afghanistan? What is your major malfunction lately?

I am against undeclared wars, and I always will be. But if you are insistent that you are going to fight and that it is a "necessity" as he repeatedly declared, then do it right. Don't quibble and vacillate and use troop lives as the motivator for Generals that you assign.

 

[evince]

Funny how this thread went cold when it was proven that all entities consider the main cause of increased troops death is the troop increase.

 

[evince]

Jarod needs to face the fact that Damo was never pro war.

 

[Damocles]

Jarod needs to face the fact that Damo was never pro war.

Thank you, Desh.

 

[evince]

Thank you, Desh.

No problem bud, truth matters

 

[Jarod]

You think I would suddenly be afraid of saying it about Afghanistan? What is your major malfunction lately?

I am against undeclared wars, and I always will be. But if you are insistent that you are going to fight and that it is a "necessity" as he repeatedly declared, then do it right. Don't quibble and vacillate and use troop lives as the motivator for Generals that you assign.

Iraq and Afganistan are two very different places, you may seem to confuse the two because they are both in the Middle East and all, but the realities of the wars are signifigantly different....

 

[Damocles]

Iraq and Afganistan are two very different places, you may seem to confuse the two because they are both in the Middle East and all, but the realities of the wars are signifigantly different....

You have got to be kidding, you are far beyond your normal level of deliberate ignorance today.

You first try to pretend like I never criticized Bush for the wars, and now this? Get over yourself.

 

[christiefan915]

Obama said he would listen to the generals on the ground. That was an obvious lie. Sep 25, 2009 ... Democrat Barack Obama said Monday that as president he would send at ... the trust of the military and would listen to the commanders on the ground ... It is reported that his peeps have asked that the Generals scrub the ...
www.quotegator.com/2009/.../obama’s-right-war-not-right-anymore.

"I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaida in Pakistan and Afghanistan and to prevent their return to either country in the future. That's the goal that must be achieved. That is a cause that could not be more just. And to the terrorists who oppose us, my message is the same: We will defeat you." Another Obama lie.


He talked like a Hawk but flies like a Dove, Obama lied. Let’s hope our troops don’t have to die because of it.
The only exit strategy is WINNING.
Resource the troops now. By Big Dog



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Obama has been meeting with the generals. Presumably he listened to their advice and comments at the meetings. However, Obama hasn't acted on any advice yet, so how can you say he's a liar until something actually happens?

Thank God he's flying like a dove. We don't need the bellicosity of another crazy hawk defining us.

 

[Bonestorm]

You think I would suddenly be afraid of saying it about Afghanistan? What is your major malfunction lately?

I am against undeclared wars, and I always will be. But if you are insistent that you are going to fight and that it is a "necessity" as he repeatedly declared, then do it right. Don't quibble and vacillate and use troop lives as the motivator for Generals that you assign.

Where'd you come up with the "troop lives as a motivator" schtick?