US Economy, Stocks Will Grow Faster Than Many Think: ING

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US Economy, Stocks Will Grow Faster Than Many Think: ING
Published: Tuesday, 17 Nov 2009 * 1:34 PM ET Text Size By: Jeff Cox
CNBC.com

The US economy and stock market are set to grow at a comparatively robust clip in the coming years—contrary to the gloomy forecasts from most economists, according to the global investment arm of ING Group.


Economists at ING Investment Management, a unit of Dutch banking giant ING [ING 14.55 -0.26 (-1.76%) ], said Tuesday that they see the economy growing at an average 4 percent rate next year.

That's far more optimistic than most economists, who subscribe to the “new normal” paradigm in which the economy limps along at a 1 to 2 percent growth rate for several years.

Such a weak recovery would limit gains in stocks as investors move away from riskier assets and into safe havens such as bonds and other cash-based classes.

The latest pessimistic forecast came on Monday, when noted analyst Meredith Whitney told CNBC that she hasn't "been this bearish in a year," saying stocks are overvalued and the US economy will likely fall back into a recession next year.

"Our view is that in general, consensus is too pessimistic," Paul Zemsky, ING Investment Management's head of asset allocation and multi-manager investments, said at a news briefing laying out the firm’s philosophy.

Specifically, the firm listed three reasons it believes growth will be stronger than expected:

Economic data has consistently beaten estimates.

The stock market is "still relatively cheap and undervalued," Zemsky said.

Federal Reserve policy will keep interest rates low well into the foreseeable future.
"Fed funds are going to be low for an extended period," said Zemsky, who attended Monday’s speech by Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke in New York. "That’s a great story for the equity markets. That’s a great story for financial institutions."

Echoing Zemsky’s optimism, Uri Landesman, the firm's head of global growth strategies, said the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index [.SPX 1107.88 -1.42 (-0.13%) ] is likely on its way to 1,275 by the end of 2010, with 1,175 possible by the end of 2009. Those numbers represent a 12 percent improvement by the end of next year and a 5.5 percent gain by the end of the present calendar year.



One reason for his optimism: The US stock market’s rally actually has been slow in global terms.

"Strong as the US recovery has been, it’s actually been one of the more poorly performing markets in the world," Landesman said.

That will change, the ING managers said, due to continued progress from US companies both in cutting costs and simultaneously increasing productivity.

Third-quarter earnings have been a reflection of that, with about 80 percent of companies beating analyst estimates, and many have achieved that goal both with cost-cutting and revenue growth.

The result will be gross domestic product averaging around 4 percent starting in the third quarter of 2010, peaking at 4.5 percent in the second quarter of 2011 then leveling off to 3.8 percent for the final two quarters of 2011, according to ING’s analysis.

To be sure, the firm acknowledges the headwinds the market is facing.

Projections for unemployment remain pessimistic, with the rate to stay above 9 percent until the second quarter of 2011, when it dips to 8.6 percent.

A weak economic picture will reflect in consumer spending that will be grow only gradually as households shed debt and try to build up savings.



“People aren’t that flush. Income growth has been poor. The vast majority of people are living day to day,” Zemsky said. “The savings rate will rise gradually. It will be a tug on demand for the next five, six years. But it will not kill the recovery in 2010.”

Key for investors to remember, the ING officials said, is not just the face level of economic yardsticks like GDP and unemployment, but the levels from which they have risen.

Conversely, they should remember the lofty heights from which the stock market has fallen and keep in mind that the major averages are still nearly 30 percent from their historic highs reached just two years ago.

“While the change in the stock market from the (March 2009) bottom is very dramatic, the level of the stock market is below what we feel is face value,” Zemsky said.

As for specific investing areas, Landesman said the firm favors industrials, financials and technology, which will benefit in the coming holiday season from shoppers looking to catch up to the latest innovations after not spending all year.

“We think the world is too pessimistic about where the consumer is,” Landesman said.

In addition, he said the firm is bullish on Brazil, Russia, India and China—the so-called BRIC nations—but is wary of Japan, which he compared to the US auto industry and the way in which too few workers have to support too many retired people.


“Basically you’re earning the same rate on a tax-free investment as you are for a taxable one, and for investors that’s a very good deal,” Zemsky said.

Investors also likely will do well by leaning on traditional recovery standbys such as consumer discretionary, energy and materials, and can expect continued growth in commodities, Landesman said.

Such growth, they said, is consistent with a recovery that will see an undervalued market receiving a natural bounce.

“There are long-term problems,” Zemsky said. “Our view is over the next four quarters…that the cyclical improvements will overwhelm the secular problems that we have.”

© 2009 CNBC.com
 
I'm thinking between 2.5 and 3.5 on GDP but 4 would be killa for the stock market and Obama's reelection
 
one big thing people forget is how many stocks are international. the stockmarket is not necessarily based on Americas GDP.
 

While it would be nice if they are correct.... I don't see us coming anywhere near 4% next year. I would be happy if we simply don't retract.

Mortgage delinquencies still rising means more foreclosures, which means more consumers tightening their spending habits, which means more layoffs, which means more delinquencies etc....

They need to inject the remaining $400b into the economy NOW... in the form of REAL JOBS.... not some mythical 'jobs saved' bullshit.

Unemployment will likely remain over 9.5% for most of next year. Year-over-year numbers look good right now because they are being compared to the decline last year. That will continue for another quarter or so.

The reason earnings are beating estimates is that analysts priced in very low expectations. For the S&P to maintain its PE ratio, we have to see earnings growth around 20. If we don't... the market will contract again to more normalized levels.
 
While it would be nice if they are correct.... I don't see us coming anywhere near 4% next year. I would be happy if we simply don't retract.

Mortgage delinquencies still rising means more foreclosures, which means more consumers tightening their spending habits, which means more layoffs, which means more delinquencies etc....

They need to inject the remaining $400b into the economy NOW... in the form of REAL JOBS.... not some mythical 'jobs saved' bullshit.

Unemployment will likely remain over 9.5% for most of next year. Year-over-year numbers look good right now because they are being compared to the decline last year. That will continue for another quarter or so.

The reason earnings are beating estimates is that analysts priced in very low expectations. For the S&P to maintain its PE ratio, we have to see earnings growth around 20. If we don't... the market will contract again to more normalized levels.

All I have to go on right now is an economy that currently is exceeding whatever my wildest optimism would have been at the beginning of the year. A lot of businesses are planning hires in the next 2 quarters as well.

I think good news can feed on itself. Naturally, we could also go the double dip route, but I'd rather go w/ optimism, because it has just as much of a shot...
 
Obama is holding the stimulus to stimulate his re-election playa.
spellcheck that for me superdork
 
All I have to go on right now is an economy that currently is exceeding whatever my wildest optimism would have been at the beginning of the year. A lot of businesses are planning hires in the next 2 quarters as well.

I think good news can feed on itself. Naturally, we could also go the double dip route, but I'd rather go w/ optimism, because it has just as much of a shot...

I do believe that many are trying to get the optimism to spread, but the underlying fundamentals do not support a continued run. Way too many problems that have not been addressed.

These are just some of the questions we should be asking....

1) what happened to all the massive amounts of bad debt that was on the banks balance sheets a year ago?

2) with unemployment at 10% and not expected to decline much over the next six months... what happens to delinquency rates on mortgages and credit card debt?

3) With credit still insanely tight for small businesses and consumers, how many more will we see fail/go bankrupt???

4) With the pensions and publicly traded REITS that are having problems refinancing their real estate portfolios, how bad will the collapse be when they are forced to sell properties?
 
I do believe that many are trying to get the optimism to spread, but the underlying fundamentals do not support a continued run. Way too many problems that have not been addressed.

These are just some of the questions we should be asking....

1) what happened to all the massive amounts of bad debt that was on the banks balance sheets a year ago?

2) with unemployment at 10% and not expected to decline much over the next six months... what happens to delinquency rates on mortgages and credit card debt?

3) With credit still insanely tight for small businesses and consumers, how many more will we see fail/go bankrupt???

4) With the pensions and publicly traded REITS that are having problems refinancing their real estate portfolios, how bad will the collapse be when they are forced to sell properties?

same kind of stuff talked about during the early 90's coming out of the late 80's crash?
 
damn....i want the economy to fail, i want everyone to lose all their money, have lousy health and all die....then i can happily and joyously show what a failure obama is....

YAY

rolleyes
 
there are going to be fits and starts, as stated before if your jobless it looks real bad.
If you work for a fortune 500 your good to go, inflation will stay low meaning salaries will stay low. Good for profits bad for workers.
 
same kind of stuff talked about during the early 90's coming out of the late 80's crash?

not quite... it is far worse this go around and we do not have a tech/telecom/internet/biotech boom to pull us out of it this time around.

Where is the growth going to come from?
 
damn....i want the economy to fail, i want everyone to lose all their money, have lousy health and all die....then i can happily and joyously show what a failure obama is....

YAY

rolleyes
Yeah and all of us poor and uneducated people will have had our revenge. Yipppeeeee!!!
 
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