USFREEDOM911
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A lot of the times, the gun crimes are bargained down to misdomeaners or a Felony 6; which can then be reduced to a misdomeaner once the probation time is finished.
A far left liberals point of veiw on gun laws.
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A lot of the times, the gun crimes are bargained down to misdomeaners or a Felony 6; which can then be reduced to a misdomeaner once the probation time is finished.
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
What gets me is the large amount of non violent pot heads that fills the jails and prisons just because they want to get high. I mean thats got to be costing alot of money and wasted jail space that could go to better uses,like keeping violent offenders in prisions. Or useing that money to fund health care or education.
USFREEDOM911
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But until the laws are changed, they are breaking the law.
They took their chances and lost.
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
Sometimes there are laws that need to be broken.ABSOLUTE rule of law is fascism.
USFREEDOM911
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But the law breakers need to be willing to accept the consequences and that doesn't seem to be what's going on, in these acts of civil dissobediance.
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
Consequences for what? demanding your rights and freedom?
Should the people involved in the civil liberties movement during the 60ies Be punished? They were breaking the law.
USFREEDOM911
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So Civil disobediance is a freebie??
Those involved in the civil liberties movement in the 60's were punished (jailed, etc),
By the way, you're comparing apples and oranges.
The 60's were about changing laws and making everyone equal.
Smoking pot is just about smoking pot.
Comparison failed.
W
WinterBorn
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The fact that an idiot handles a gun and kills himself is not a reason to make guns more difficult to obtain for the rest of us.
Simple rules like assuming the gun is loaded and not pointing it at anything you don't intend to shoot will stop virtually all the accidental shootings.
Having fun is a perfectly good reason to have them around, but that is not the point. In a free society, the gov't needs an overwhelming reason to ban something before action should be taken. We do not need to defend our reasons for owning guns. The gov't must have very good reasons for removing or restricting them. And all of that does not even touch on the 2nd Amendment.
W
WinterBorn
Guest
On this we agree. We have far too many gun laws that are not being enforced. If we separated the violent offenders from those who committed drug offenses and property crimes, would could incarcerate the violent ones easier and more efficiently.
W
WinterBorn
Guest
So Civil disobediance is a freebie??
Those involved in the civil liberties movement in the 60's were punished (jailed, etc),
By the way, you're comparing apples and oranges.
The 60's were about changing laws and making everyone equal.
Smoking pot is just about smoking pot.
Comparison failed.
He is making a valid point in one respect. If the jails are filled with nonviolent drug offenders, we have overcrowding conditions and release violent felons back into society.
The laws that demand set times for possession of pot keep the dope smokers in prison.
There should be radically different sentences for those who simply smoke pot and those who threaten the lives of our citizens. This is not happening.
W
WinterBorn
Guest
I've read your posts in this thread and you seem to be well informed about the criminal elements. Men do commit more firearm crimes than women.
But I would suggest you do more research into the number of women who defend themselves with guns and prevent violence. The numbers are more difficult to come by, since there is often no crime actually committed or reported.
"Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times."
From: (Study: “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun.” By Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology (Northwestern University School of Law), 1995.)
Also, before condemning firearms as a whole, I would like to see a study that shows the number of violent crimes committed by persons who had no prior felony record. Since felons cannot purchase a firearm legally, these are the ones who obtain them by illegal means. Gun laws will not effect this group any more than making drugs illegal effects the drug users.
Given the physiological differences between men and women, the average woman needs some sort of assistance to defend herself from an attack by the average criminal male. While pepperspray and tasers may be sufficient, they also have limitations that may mean the difference between life & death for the woman.
My wife has a handgun and knows quite well how to use it.
A quick look at the response times for local law enforcement can show you the folly of removing guns. Find out how long the average response is for your local police dept. Then get a stopwatch and imagine what could be happening as those minutes tick by. Its an eye opener.
There has also not been any mention of sporting uses of firearms. I hunt quite a bit. The guns I use for that would be far more dangerous than the small handgun my wife has for defense.
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wanderingbear
Radical liberal
The government has good reason to put regulations on guns and gun ownership.The same reason that you need a license to drive a car.
Theres to many idiots.Mayby the idiot killing him/her selves is not a reason for gun control measures.But when that same idiot puts other peoples lives in danger that's another story altogether.
W
WinterBorn
Guest
The gov't puts regulations and requires a licence to drive on public roads. If you do not use the public roads there is no licence requirement.
There are 63 million gun owners in the US. There are an average of 1,500 accidents involving firearms annually. Which means 0.002% of the gun owners out there had accidents. Or, 99.998% of gun owners didn't do anything stupid.
Seems like a tiny percentage to me.
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
Accually the only place you can drive with out a license is on your own private propertyand no where else.Ofcourse the laws may be different in your state.
I think that 1,500 is 1,500 thousand to many.
Topspin
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There's 18,000 more death's (reasons to ban) guns vs Pot.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Yeah, no I didn't. I said most. And from my experience, where ALL my OPINIONS come from, it's been pretty accurate. And your class would also probably tell you about the vast amount of crime caused by the prohibition of drugs right? Or do they ignore those lil tidbits?
Billy the Great Khan
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No, I'm sorry my friend. Very few gun deaths are accidental. Yes they happen, yes it is sad, and I agree the people who cause such accidents are 99% of time too stupid to wipe after shitting. I say that they are fun because as I said, you are less likely to fear something once you understand it.
Billy the Great Khan
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It's already been posted, about 1,500 accidental deaths every year. That's pretty low compared to deaths involving stuff like cars, OD on drugs, fire, accidental choking, drowning, Etc.
Topspin
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Local NewsShare this article:0 Comments Email this article Print this article YouNews™ Digg this! Save to Delicious Post to Facebook Share on Twitter Thibodaux man arrested after shooting brother
by Houma Courier
Posted on December 10, 2009 at 7:00 AM
Updated today at 7:00 AM
THIBODAUX — A Thibodaux man was arrested on gun- and drug-possession charges after accidentally shooting his brother Tuesday night, Thibodaux Police said.
Courtney Owens, 29, 2127 Audubon Drive, Apt. 38, said he shot his brother after mistaking him for an intruder, according to police.
Officers responded to reports of a shooting at the apartments around 11 p.m., police said. They found the 22-year-old victim lying on the floor with a gunshot wound to his torso.
Acadian Ambulance took the victim to Thibodaux Regional Hospital, where he underwent surgery and is expected to live, police said.
Owens led police to his vehicle, where they found a semiautomatic handgun, according to a report. They took it as evidence.
Detectives on the scene later located two pounds of suspected marijuana in the apartment, police said.
Detective Joey Quinn said police also found $13,000 in cash in the apartment.
Owens was arrested and taken to the Thibodaux Police Department, where he was charged with possession of a firearm while committing violence or distribution or sale of narcotics, and possession with the intent to distribute schedule I narcotics.
He was later released after posting a $15,000 bond.
by Houma Courier
Posted on December 10, 2009 at 7:00 AM
Updated today at 7:00 AM
THIBODAUX — A Thibodaux man was arrested on gun- and drug-possession charges after accidentally shooting his brother Tuesday night, Thibodaux Police said.
Courtney Owens, 29, 2127 Audubon Drive, Apt. 38, said he shot his brother after mistaking him for an intruder, according to police.
Officers responded to reports of a shooting at the apartments around 11 p.m., police said. They found the 22-year-old victim lying on the floor with a gunshot wound to his torso.
Acadian Ambulance took the victim to Thibodaux Regional Hospital, where he underwent surgery and is expected to live, police said.
Owens led police to his vehicle, where they found a semiautomatic handgun, according to a report. They took it as evidence.
Detectives on the scene later located two pounds of suspected marijuana in the apartment, police said.
Detective Joey Quinn said police also found $13,000 in cash in the apartment.
Owens was arrested and taken to the Thibodaux Police Department, where he was charged with possession of a firearm while committing violence or distribution or sale of narcotics, and possession with the intent to distribute schedule I narcotics.
He was later released after posting a $15,000 bond.