What happened to Hope Witsell

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Teen girl sends topless pic to boyfriend. Classmates see it, bully her. School finds out about it, suspends her. Parents find out about it, ground her for a summer. Girl kills self. Media blames dangers of "sexting," not vicious shaming from classmates, school, and parents.


What happened to Hope Witsell Wednesday, Dec 2 2009

feminist rage and religion and sex and violence Sylvia 7:49 pm
Look, like I said on Twitter (where I heard about this tragedy via Kate Bornstein), this story is so enraging and depressing that I’m actually not even feeling the rage and depression, I’m kind of numb, so, make the choice advisedly whether or not to read on.

Hope Witsell was just beginning the journey from child to teen. The middle-school student had a tight-knit group of friends, the requisite poster of “Twilight” heartthrob Robert Pattinson and big plans to become a landscaper when she grew up.
But one impetuous move robbed Hope of her childhood, and eventually, her life. The 13-year-old Florida girl sent a topless photo of herself to a boy in hope of gaining his attention. Instead, she got the attention of her school, as well as the high school nearby.
So, here in the lede we discover that it was the showing of her boobs to a boy that — let’s look at that one more time in full — “robbed Hope of her childhood, and eventually, her life.”
Does she get the blame just once? No, no, let’s go down a few more paragraphs.
But Hope got involved in a dangerous, all-too-typical teen game. In June, at the end of her seventh-grade year at Beth Shields Middle School, she sent a picture of her exposed breasts to a boy she liked. It’s an act that is becoming more and more commonplace among teens (a poll recently showed some 20 percent of teens admitting they’ve sent nude pictures of themselves over cell phones).
She got INVOLVED in a DANGEROUS GAME. She gave a boy a picture of her boobs, you see. And that was the dangerous act.
It wasn’t the bullying of other students that put her in danger. (“Friends told the St. Petersburg Times, which originally chronicled Hope’s story, that they literally surrounded Hope as she walked the hallways while other students shouted ‘whore’ and ’slut’ at her.)
It wasn’t the school administrators who responded to this abuse by punishing and further publicly shaming HER. (“Shortly after the school year ended, school officials caught wind of the hubbub surrounding Hope’s cell phone photo. They contacted the Witsells and told them Hope would be suspended for the first week of the next school year.”)
It wasn’t the parents who punished her even more, taking her away from her support network and the things she loved to do, after the school administrators informed them of what had been happening to their daughter and how they were planning to make it worse for her. (“Donna Witsell told Vieira that she and her husband practiced tough love on Hope, grounding her for the summer and suspending her cell phone and computer privileges.”)
It wasn’t the adults at the school again who were more interested in covering their asses against litigation with a written record than actually supporting a suicidally depressed child. (“On Sept. 11, Hope met with school counselors, who noticed cuts on Hope’s leg they believed to be self-inflicted. They had her sign a ‘no-harm contract,’ in which she promised to talk to an adult if she felt the urge to hurt herself. But [...] the school didn’t inform Hope’s parents of the contract.”)
Of course it wasn’t a slut-shaming, woman-hating, sex-hating culture that divides young women into “good” (virginal) and “bad” (fallen) and allowed a 13-year-old girl to believe that she had ruined her life forever by showing a boy her tits.
No, it was her “impetuous move” and somehow also the dangers of the INTERNET (even though the internet was not involved, except in that her internet access, probably one of her major sources of social support, was taken away by her “churchgoing family” as a punishment for an act that they had no goddamn fucking idea what it even was or what technology it used).
["Internet safety expert" Parry] Aftab, who held Donna Witsell’s hand throughout the trying TODAY interview, told Vieira it’s often upstanding children growing up in good homes who have the biggest propensity to feel guilt over their sexual actions, and most feel the stings of the bullying that comes afterward.
“Good kids are the ones this is happening to; Jesse was a great kid, and now we have Hope,” she said. “Good kids; they’re the ones who are committing suicide when a picture like this gets out.”
Why are they doing that, those good girls? Why are they killing themselves?
Parents, teachers, administrators, pastors, bullies, slut-shamers, fools, woman-haters, hypocrites, tell me why YOU think they are killing themselves. Do you know? Do you know why Hope Witsell hanged herself? Do you know why she thought she had no future?
It wasn’t because she made a momentary, impulsive expression of her barely-adolescent sexuality (or gave in to peer pressure from boys who felt that her body was public domain; if the latter, that is just another horrible thing to add to this horrible thing, but either way it was not because she took a picture of her boobs). It wasn’t because of a media-manufactured techno-trend. It wasn’t the internet. It was not that, as this putrid “news” article disgustingly asserts, “The downward spiral of Hope’s life was unstoppable.”
If everyone I know who had a picture of their boobs on the internet before their 18th birthday killed themselves, I’d have a lot of dead friends. I wouldn’t be around to remember them, though, since I’d be dead too.
It wasn’t SEXTING.
It was you, adults, all the adults in her life. The high school assholes too, but they’re in high school. You’re adults. She was thirteen years old and she was driven to her grave for nothing and there was nothing inevitable about this.
And you should understand that. You should go to her grave as a penitent every day of your lives, all of you, like Leontes and Claudio, and make of yourselves a lesson for others. This is the real world, so you won’t get the kind of results that Leontes and Claudio did. She’s never coming back.
You should just do it because it’s the right thing to do. Because it is, honestly, the least you can do. Because she wasn’t killed by this year’s sexy scary cyber-youth-trend. You could have saved her if you hadn’t ALL been so busy reinforcing values that are killing our daughters.
Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters.
Stop.
 
How sad, In some cultures boobs are out for anyone to see.

I have to admitt I blame her parents the most.
 
Teen girl sends topless pic to boyfriend. Classmates see it, bully her. School finds out about it, suspends her. Parents find out about it, ground her for a summer. Girl kills self. Media blames dangers of "sexting," not vicious shaming from classmates, school, and parents.


What happened to Hope Witsell Wednesday, Dec 2 2009

feminist rage and religion and sex and violence Sylvia 7:49 pm
Look, like I said on Twitter (where I heard about this tragedy via Kate Bornstein), this story is so enraging and depressing that I’m actually not even feeling the rage and depression, I’m kind of numb, so, make the choice advisedly whether or not to read on.

Hope Witsell was just beginning the journey from child to teen. The middle-school student had a tight-knit group of friends, the requisite poster of “Twilight” heartthrob Robert Pattinson and big plans to become a landscaper when she grew up.
But one impetuous move robbed Hope of her childhood, and eventually, her life. The 13-year-old Florida girl sent a topless photo of herself to a boy in hope of gaining his attention. Instead, she got the attention of her school, as well as the high school nearby.
So, here in the lede we discover that it was the showing of her boobs to a boy that — let’s look at that one more time in full — “robbed Hope of her childhood, and eventually, her life.”
Does she get the blame just once? No, no, let’s go down a few more paragraphs.
But Hope got involved in a dangerous, all-too-typical teen game. In June, at the end of her seventh-grade year at Beth Shields Middle School, she sent a picture of her exposed breasts to a boy she liked. It’s an act that is becoming more and more commonplace among teens (a poll recently showed some 20 percent of teens admitting they’ve sent nude pictures of themselves over cell phones).
She got INVOLVED in a DANGEROUS GAME. She gave a boy a picture of her boobs, you see. And that was the dangerous act.
It wasn’t the bullying of other students that put her in danger. (“Friends told the St. Petersburg Times, which originally chronicled Hope’s story, that they literally surrounded Hope as she walked the hallways while other students shouted ‘whore’ and ’slut’ at her.)
It wasn’t the school administrators who responded to this abuse by punishing and further publicly shaming HER. (“Shortly after the school year ended, school officials caught wind of the hubbub surrounding Hope’s cell phone photo. They contacted the Witsells and told them Hope would be suspended for the first week of the next school year.”)
It wasn’t the parents who punished her even more, taking her away from her support network and the things she loved to do, after the school administrators informed them of what had been happening to their daughter and how they were planning to make it worse for her. (“Donna Witsell told Vieira that she and her husband practiced tough love on Hope, grounding her for the summer and suspending her cell phone and computer privileges.”)
It wasn’t the adults at the school again who were more interested in covering their asses against litigation with a written record than actually supporting a suicidally depressed child. (“On Sept. 11, Hope met with school counselors, who noticed cuts on Hope’s leg they believed to be self-inflicted. They had her sign a ‘no-harm contract,’ in which she promised to talk to an adult if she felt the urge to hurt herself. But [...] the school didn’t inform Hope’s parents of the contract.”)
Of course it wasn’t a slut-shaming, woman-hating, sex-hating culture that divides young women into “good” (virginal) and “bad” (fallen) and allowed a 13-year-old girl to believe that she had ruined her life forever by showing a boy her tits.
No, it was her “impetuous move” and somehow also the dangers of the INTERNET (even though the internet was not involved, except in that her internet access, probably one of her major sources of social support, was taken away by her “churchgoing family” as a punishment for an act that they had no goddamn fucking idea what it even was or what technology it used).
["Internet safety expert" Parry] Aftab, who held Donna Witsell’s hand throughout the trying TODAY interview, told Vieira it’s often upstanding children growing up in good homes who have the biggest propensity to feel guilt over their sexual actions, and most feel the stings of the bullying that comes afterward.
“Good kids are the ones this is happening to; Jesse was a great kid, and now we have Hope,” she said. “Good kids; they’re the ones who are committing suicide when a picture like this gets out.”
Why are they doing that, those good girls? Why are they killing themselves?
Parents, teachers, administrators, pastors, bullies, slut-shamers, fools, woman-haters, hypocrites, tell me why YOU think they are killing themselves. Do you know? Do you know why Hope Witsell hanged herself? Do you know why she thought she had no future?
It wasn’t because she made a momentary, impulsive expression of her barely-adolescent sexuality (or gave in to peer pressure from boys who felt that her body was public domain; if the latter, that is just another horrible thing to add to this horrible thing, but either way it was not because she took a picture of her boobs). It wasn’t because of a media-manufactured techno-trend. It wasn’t the internet. It was not that, as this putrid “news” article disgustingly asserts, “The downward spiral of Hope’s life was unstoppable.”
If everyone I know who had a picture of their boobs on the internet before their 18th birthday killed themselves, I’d have a lot of dead friends. I wouldn’t be around to remember them, though, since I’d be dead too.
It wasn’t SEXTING.
It was you, adults, all the adults in her life. The high school assholes too, but they’re in high school. You’re adults. She was thirteen years old and she was driven to her grave for nothing and there was nothing inevitable about this.
And you should understand that. You should go to her grave as a penitent every day of your lives, all of you, like Leontes and Claudio, and make of yourselves a lesson for others. This is the real world, so you won’t get the kind of results that Leontes and Claudio did. She’s never coming back.
You should just do it because it’s the right thing to do. Because it is, honestly, the least you can do. Because she wasn’t killed by this year’s sexy scary cyber-youth-trend. You could have saved her if you hadn’t ALL been so busy reinforcing values that are killing our daughters.
Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters. Stop killing our daughters.
Stop.

99% of the time anyone who is going to kill themselves, ESPECIALLY over something like what people in school think, they didn't deserve to live in the first place.
 
99% of the time anyone who is going to kill themselves, ESPECIALLY over something like what people in school think, they didn't deserve to live in the first place.

After this comment, you don't deserve to live anymore. I apologize for being incapable of negrepping you over this disgusting piece of shit you just posted.
 
How sad, In some cultures boobs are out for anyone to see.

I have to admitt I blame her parents the most.

:palm:

The parents are to blame? are you insane?

I can easily find blame to be laid on the school and most definitely the other students, but the parents were damned right to ground her in any way they see fit, but to blame the parents for proper discipline and not just flat out beating the snot out of her, total liberal rubbish.
 
After this comment, you don't deserve to live anymore. I apologize for being incapable of negrepping you over this disgusting piece of shit you just posted.

Oh what? Because you can't take a little verbal abuse you need to kill yourself? That's weak and stupid. Life is hard, and if you can't take the easy part of your life, the school yard days, being on your own is going to be a kick in your ass you'll never be able to recover from.

The fault lies with one person only, the girl who did this. Don't expect pity or mercy from me. I was never given any and would never ask for any.
 
You are young Billy and do not understand what goes through the mind of a thirteen year old.

Wait till one of your own children is that age and then maybe you will see it differently.

Being a parent means you are tasked to KNOW your child and teach them what is truely important.

Her showing her boobs to someone is something you want her to do someday.

A parent who reacts in a way to punish a child for their OWN imbarrassment instead of concentrating on the lesson the girl needs to live life has failed.

She needed guidence and support Not RECRIMINATIONS.
 
You are young Billy and do not understand what goes through the mind of a thirteen year old.

Wait till one of your own children is that age and then maybe you will see it differently.

Being a parent means you are tasked to KNOW your child and teach them what is truely important.

Her showing her boobs to someone is something you want her to do someday.

A parent who reacts in a way to punish a child for their OWN imbarrassment instead of concentrating on the lesson the girl needs to live life has failed.

She needed guidence and support Not RECRIMINATIONS.

I understand all of that Desh. I was at that stage not too long ago. But honestly, suicide is just giving up, because getting up again is too hard. Now if you feel the parents were too harsh, I won't agree or disagree on that point. I don't know what being a parent is like or honestly the best way to do it. But they didn't kill their daughter.
 
Her showing her boobs to someone is something you want her to do someday.
not when they are 13 years old.

A parent who reacts in a way to punish a child for their OWN imbarrassment instead of concentrating on the lesson the girl needs to live life has failed.
this comment and thinking needs to get put back in to left field where it came from.

She needed guidence and support Not RECRIMINATIONS.
no, she ALSO needed punishment to ensure she doesn't do it again until she's of age. If she was still alive and did this again in 2 years, the police would probably charge her with production and distribution of child pornography. How would THAT make her feel?
 
not when they are 13 years old.

this comment and thinking needs to get put back in to left field where it came from.


no, she ALSO needed punishment to ensure she doesn't do it again until she's of age. If she was still alive and did this again in 2 years, the police would probably charge her with production and distribution of child pornography. How would THAT make her feel?

And that punishment helped end her life.

Punishing someone is not how you teach them its how you show your power over someone.

They are her tits and she had the right to show them to whom she chose.

What her parents needed to do was to talk to her and TEACH her when and how to show her tits to someone that protected her against such a societal backlash.

She needed someone to show her she was still loved at home even when the world turns against her.

They are tits for christ sake, every woman has them and they are for feeding babies.

The fact that men get all hard about them is no reason to hang an albatross arround a young girls neck for thinking hers are cute and her special guy would like a picture.

You are one who would react just like these parents did, It is all about your rep and not for her edification.
 
Like I said, life is hard, so don't expect pity or mercy from me. I never got, or wanted, any.

then you have no problem with my post, afterall, you don't expect any

pity has nothing to do with whether someone "deserves" to live

cold blooded murderers say pretty much the same thing when they enter prison.....
 
then you have no problem with my post, afterall, you don't expect any

pity has nothing to do with whether someone "deserves" to live

cold blooded murderers say pretty much the same thing when they enter prison.....

I don't have a problem with your post. And perhaps I didn't express myself in the best way. But killing yourself is the stupidest thing ever, and I honestly have no remorse for her.
 
And that punishment helped end her life.

Punishing someone is not how you teach them its how you show your power over someone.

They are her tits and she had the right to show them to whom she chose.
not at 13 years old she doesn't. ask law enforcement.

What her parents needed to do was to talk to her and TEACH her when and how to show her tits to someone that protected her against such a societal backlash.

She needed someone to show her she was still loved at home even when the world turns against her.
I don't know what exact punishment other than what was stated in the article occurred, but she needed to have the internet and cell taken away to teach her that lesson to not do it til she's of age.

They are tits for christ sake, every woman has them and they are for feeding babies.

The fact that men get all hard about them is no reason to hang an albatross arround a young girls neck for thinking hers are cute and her special guy would like a picture.
again, 13 years old. not of age. not happening.

You are one who would react just like these parents did, It is all about your rep and not for her edification.
don't pretend to know how I would act and why. you're not good at it.
 
I understand all of that Desh. I was at that stage not too long ago. But honestly, suicide is just giving up, because getting up again is too hard. Now if you feel the parents were too harsh, I won't agree or disagree on that point. I don't know what being a parent is like or honestly the best way to do it. But they didn't kill their daughter.

Yes they did.
 
It's vile and disgusting that they punished this VICTIM. Anyone who disagrees should be shot. She did NOTHING WRONG. If only we could trade the lives of the worthless people who are responsible for her death to get a good person like her back.
 
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