Talk about dishonesty

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”Bidens allegedly coerced Burisma CEO to pay them millions to help get Ukraine prosecutor fired”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gr...iden-criminal-bribery-scheme-with-burisma-ceo

”Biden $10M bribe file released: Burisma chief said he was coerced to pay Joe, stupid Hunter in bombshell allegations”
https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden...isma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/

Big news on Fox today, all of Murdochland, headlines, even had the “experts” discussing it their TV coverage, was interesting how they just skipped over the “allegedly” part and presented it as factual. And that was their supposed “news” coverage, imagine what the prime time pimps will do with it

Grassley is a snake, valueless, the entire thing is based on tips, tips found to be discredited, he knew that, Murdoch knows it, yet they went ahead and ran it as factual. Not only has all of it been discredited, but even Trump’s own personal fixer, Billy Barr, investigated it for eight months and discarded it as bogus.

Is it any wonder the Trumpkins live in LaLaLand, and why others just laugh when they come forth with Fox or the NYP as sources?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

”Bidens allegedly coerced Burisma CEO to pay them millions to help get Ukraine prosecutor fired”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gr...iden-criminal-bribery-scheme-with-burisma-ceo

”Biden $10M bribe file released: Burisma chief said he was coerced to pay Joe, stupid Hunter in bombshell allegations”
https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden...isma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/

Big news on Fox today, all of Murdochland, headlines, even had the “experts” discussing it their TV coverage, was interesting how they just skipped over the “allegedly” part and presented it as factual. And that was their supposed “news” coverage, imagine what the prime time pimps will do with it

Grassley is a snake, valueless, the entire thing is based on tips, tips found to be discredited, he knew that, Murdoch knows it, yet they went ahead and ran it as factual. Not only has all of it been discredited, but even Trump’s own personal fixer, Billy Barr, investigated it for eight months and discarded it as bogus.

Is it any wonder the Trumpkins live in LaLaLand, and why others just laugh when they come forth with Fox or the NYP as sources?

I have no doubt Hunter is dirty. Not so sure about Joe. The whole thing looks hinky. Wouldn't the $5M be traceable to a bank account?

 

[Cypress]

Criminality circles GOP presidential politics the same way flies circle pig shit.

Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Trump flagrantly committed felonies.

People who participate directly or vicariously in a criminal enterprise are very quick to assume their competitors are equally criminally inclined.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Criminality circles GOP presidential politics the same way flies circle pig shit.

Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Trump flagrantly committed felonies.

People who participate directly or vicariously in a criminal enterprise are very quick to assume their competitors are equally criminally inclined.

To paraphrase Lord Acton, "Money corrupts. Vast amounts of money corrupts vastly".

The major corporations favor the Republican Party as the Party of Big Business. In short, corporations own a lot of Republican politicians.

 

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I have no doubt Hunter is dirty. Not so sure about Joe. The whole thing looks hinky. Wouldn't the $5M be traceable to a bank account?

There is no $5 million dollars, there exists zero proof there ever was $5 million dollars, the whole narrative is based upon supposed tips that have been proven bogus

You are swallowing an innuendo as fact

 

[Cypress]

To paraphrase Lord Acton, "Money corrupts. Vast amounts of money corrupts vastly".

The major corporations favor the Republican Party as the Party of Big Business. In short, corporations own a lot of Republican politicians.

The Dem party can be beholden to corporate interests too, but that's not a crime under current law.

In terms of criminality at the presidential level, I don't see any modern Democratic equivalent to the crimes of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, and Trump.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The Dem party can be beholden to corporate interests too, but that's not a crime under current law.

In terms of criminality at the presidential level, I don't see any modern Democratic equivalent to the crimes of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, and Trump.

Our kind of elections require huge sums of money,

and money can only be solicited from parties that actually have it.

I'm not educated as to how other democracies run their elections,

but I admittedly wish that I had studied that in more detail when I had the opportunity.

There has to be a better way.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is no $5 million dollars, there exists zero proof there ever was $5 million dollars, the whole narrative is based upon supposed tips that have been proven bogus

You are swallowing an innuendo as fact

This is not the first time Hunter has been using the family name to line his own pockets. While I'll readily agree the Alt-Right is trying to drag Joe through the mud because of his corrupt son, I have no doubt Hunter is highly unethical if not criminal.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Dem party can be beholden to corporate interests too, but that's not a crime under current law.

In terms of criminality at the presidential level, I don't see any modern Democratic equivalent to the crimes of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, and Trump.

Agreed, but the Republicans have a much longer history of being in the pockets of big business. It was only after the 2016 election that they began catering to "the poorly educated".

The Clintons came close with all their little corruption scandals such as the Lincoln bedroom, the Clinton Foundation, etc. Just because they* were smarter about it doesn't mean they were any less corrupt.


*Hillary was the "smart one".

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Corruption costs us billions.
Bad policy costs us trillions.

Bring in the crooks lining their own pockets,
but doing so while intelligently implementing good policies.

Once we're on the right track,
then see what we can do to tidy things up.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Corruption costs us billions.
Bad policy costs us trillions.

Bring in the crooks lining their own pockets,
but doing so while intelligently implementing good policies.

Once we're on the right track,
then see what we can do to tidy things up.

this is a good example of low IQ thinking.

tell us, what incentive is there for the 'crooks' lining their own pockets to implement all the good policies you want so you can then go after them?

 

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This is not the first time Hunter has been using the family name to line his own pockets. While I'll readily agree the Alt-Right is trying to drag Joe through the mud because of his corrupt son, I have no doubt Hunter is highly unethical if not criminal.

Again, none of that can be documented, all based upon innuendo promoted as fact.

Is the guy admirable, no, is using the family name a crime, no, unusual, no, the Trump kids didn’t get where they are not using daddy’s name. The old boy network, be it education or business, is a big player anywhere you go

 

[NiftyNiblick]

this is a good example of low IQ thinking.

tell us, what incentive is there for the 'crooks' lining their own pockets to implement all the good policies you want so you can then go after them?

It shouldn't be hard for even you to figure out, STY.



If you have a crooked republican

looking to privatize social security,

refusing to recognize women's sovereignty over their own bodies,

opposing socialized medicine,

and supporting anti-labor initiatives---

in other words, doing all the normal republican things--

and in opposition,

you have a democrat also lining his pockets

but voting progressively on the bulk of proposed legislation,

the crooked democrat is obviously the far better choice for the nation.

This is pretty elementary stuff, STY.

 

[Cypress]

Agreed, but the Republicans have a much longer history of being in the pockets of big business. It was only after the 2016 election that they began catering to "the poorly educated".

The Clintons came close with all their little corruption scandals such as the Lincoln bedroom, the Clinton Foundation, etc. Just because they* were smarter about it doesn't mean they were any less corrupt.


*Hillary was the "smart one".

Big business is traditionally leaning Republican.


I think we need to compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

People either went to prison or were criminally indicted for the crimes of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Trump.

No one ever went to prison or was remotely close to criminal indictment for the Lincoln bedroom brouhaha.

The Obama and Carter administrations practically look like choir boys by the standards of the presidency

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Again, none of that can be documented, all based upon innuendo promoted as fact.

Is the guy admirable, no, is using the family name a crime, no, unusual, no, the Trump kids didn’t get where they are not using daddy’s name. The old boy network, be it education or business, is a big player anywhere you go

Hunter is a convicted criminal. There are tapes of him plying the Chinese for money by using the family name. I have no doubt he would use any avenue to do the same with any country willing to pay.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Big business is traditionally leaning Republican.


I think we need to compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

People either went to prison or were criminally indicted for the crimes of Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Trump.

No one ever went to prison or was remotely close to criminal indictment for the Lincoln bedroom brouhaha

Exactly on big business.

The apples to apples is ethics, not criminal law.

 

[zymurgy]

what a fucking shit stain you all are

boo hoo - some outlets are treating the Biden Crime family charges seriously.

a guy that steals speeches, lies about marching, lies about how his wife dies. lies about what a shit head his son is.

nooooooo he couldn't possibly be corrupt. no way. nothing to see here

derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp derp

 

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Corruption costs us billions.
Bad policy costs us trillions.

Bring in the crooks lining their own pockets,
but doing so while intelligently implementing good policies.

Once we're on the right track,
then see what we can do to tidy things up.

So basically you are recommending an authoritarian leader, as the Greeks would say, a philosopher King, one who ruled with the intent of serving the people’s best interest. Not a radical thought, but rare, power corrupts, and absolute power has never really led to anything good, least in the last two centuries or developed nations

Often myself thought the US would be better off with a Parliamentary form of Government, ditching the Executive model, one would have many of the same problems, and the majority would govern, but it would lessen the many of the undemocratic features that plague our system

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The USA, for better or worse, is a capitalist nation.

Both of our parties are pro business,

but the Democrats want business to operate in harmony with a civilized nation's level of necessary socialism,

thus requiring a stronger measure of regulation,

while the Republicans want the classic, short-sighted oligarchal approach to unfettered business.

The two are as far apart in these matters
as they've ever been
since the failed reformation of the post Civil War Era.

 

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Hunter is a convicted criminal. There are tapes of him plying the Chinese for money by using the family name. I have no doubt he would use any avenue to do the same with any country willing to pay.

No there isn’t, no tape, rather some “whistleblower” saying such, kinda like Bobby Bolinski, and as I said, many a rich kid from a powerful family will employ his family name to gain in any arena, whether subtly or direct