Executive Order #13524
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Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Well there are the unemployed... But you're right, it's just another subtle way of promoting class warfare.
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you're asking the wrong questions because you automatically look at this in any light favorable to obama
you should be asking: why is it interpol needs exemptions while operating in this country that our own FBI and CIA do not share?
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assuming arguendo it is to fight terror.....
are you now willing to give the same exemptions to the CIA and the FBI....what about the local police?
Because this is not your father's Oldsmobile. Terrorism requires reciprocity and this is most likely a part of agreements designed to keep us safe and free.
And following along the same line as the other thread: I am always amazed over people who think cooperation is bad but invading a sovereign nation, Iraq is good.
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as usual, you don't know jack....
are you actually positing that our fbi or cia has this kind of immunity? do you even realize that interpol is an international organization? thus, who is the reciprocity with as we are members of interpol?
i clearly remember you wailing about bush and the patriot act, now, predictably, obama makes an international POLICE force immune beyond that which our own police enjoy and you support it in that name of keeping us safe and free....
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
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thanks for that
i didn't realize watermark and midcan share the same ideology of communism coupled with totalitarianism
i didn't realize watermark and midcan share the same ideology of communism coupled with totalitarianism
apple0154
MEOW
I addressed that in msg 57 regarding war criminals. If I recall correctly Milosevich was protected by the Police in his country.
I would assume INTERPOL requires special powers regardless of what country they operate in. I'm not specifically talking about the gathering of evidence or any country in particular. I was thinking along the general lines of arrest and detainment.
Do they have powers similar to what we associate with a regular Police force such as arrest, imprisonment, etc?
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I answered that question way back in post 40, and all you do is re-ask it twice more. Each nation has the right to place their own limits on the actions of foreign law enforcement agents acting under Interpol.
First, Interpol is not a police force in it's own right, but an organization in which the law enforcement agencies of various nations can cooperate when operations beyond national borders is needed. As such, the restrictions any nation places on its own law enforcement are automatically applied to any visiting law enforcement on Interpol business. For instance, if an FBI agent were to be on an Interpol mission and visit a nation that does not allow it's law enforcement to carry firearms except under special circumstances, then the FBI agent would be required to check his firearm in at the local law enforcement station unless given specific permission to carry. Similarly, any foreign law enforcement visiting the U.S. on Interpol business is automatically constrained by our constitutional protections and law enforcement protocols.
Where the EO signed by Obama comes in is what happens if a foreign agent visiting another nation on Interpol business violates the restriction of the host nation. Every nation has protocols for addressing that possibility. The U.S. has traditionally been most lenient, granting basic diplomatic immunity to guest agents. No other nation does so. Though, to date, when a U.S. law enforcement agent violates a country's restriction they are simply escorted out of the host country, the laws of many Interpol nations do allow them to be arrested and prosecuted.
When the frequency of guest agents stepped up with the increase in law enforcement activity combating the illegal drug trade, so did the incidence of foreign agents violating our constitutional restrictions. Reagan's response was to exclude certain areas of diplomatic immunity for foreign law enforcement agents. Specifically, he amended the immunity clause so if we become victims of civil rights violations from foreign law enforcement, we have (had) the authority to pursue redress of any violations, just as we have that right against our own law enforcement.
Obama has taken that right away. There is now no reason for foreign law enforcement to obey our restrictions, because there is no consequence for violating them.
A parallel for our own law enforcement would be if the government completely overturns the exclusionary rule. They've made bad enough inroads on that topic as it is.
(Now awaiting the traditional "If you aren't guilty, you have nothing to fear" bullshit.)
apple0154
MEOW
In that case I agree with you.
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there is no parallel....what are you talking about?
and interpol is a POLICE force.....
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No, they are not. Get your facts straight before you go mouthing off.
Interpol is an international organization that assists in organizing law enforcement that crosses international boundaries. They have zero agents of their own, and zero authority of their own. It is up to each member nation to provide agents as needed on a per-case basis. We usually send FBI agents overseas on Interpol missions, though U.S. Marshals have also been used.
The organization was recognized officially under Reagan's administration. His EO gave agents working under Interpol jurisdiction general diplomatic immunity, but with certain exceptions. Obama has removed those exceptions.
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yeah.....they are the girl scouts......
did you even read the code? our own fbi and cia do not enjoy their immunity.....
but its ok.....because to you....they are not a police force....
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Get a grip, dipshit. I am against what Obama did, not for it.yeah.....they are the girl scouts......
did you even read the code? our own fbi and cia do not enjoy their immunity.....
but its ok.....because to you....they are not a police force....
Removing immunities means foreign law enforcement agents operating under Interpol agreements have zero checks and balances. They can come in and "make mistakes", and their victims will have no recourse. That is not a good thing, and that is what I have been saying. Like I said, it would be as if our own government removed the exclusionary clause. (Do you even know what THAT means?)
However, making mis-statements like calling Interpol an international police force, only diminishes the argument against Obama's actions. Get the facts straight, then get your criticisms straight. Otherwise you look like a conservative version of Watermark.
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The Almighty
All Hail... the King of Obama apologists has arrived!!!
What is the point of your post dear king? We already know what executive order Obama modified with his. Are you trying to catch up?
Background, my friend. If you actually look at the applicable law, the Obama executive order did nothing with respect to the immunity that Saint Ronnie bestowed on INTERPOL back in 1983. That immunity has been enjoyed by INTERPOL since then and Obama's order changes nothing on that score.
The Obama changes to the Executive Order deal specifically with whether INTERPOL property may be searched, whether INTERPOL property and the property of its agents are subject to duties and taxes and the imposition of internal-revenue importation taxes.
evince
Truthmatters
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/22/7/XVIII/288
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/22/7/XVIII/288a
International organizations shall enjoy the status, immunities,
exemptions, and privileges set forth in this section, as follows:
(a) International organizations shall, to the extent consistent
with the instrument creating them, possess the capacity -
(i) to contract;
(ii) to acquire and dispose of real and personal property;
(iii) to institute legal proceedings.
(b) International organizations, their property and their assets,
wherever located, and by whomsoever held, shall enjoy the same
immunity from suit and every form of judicial process as is enjoyed
by foreign governments, except to the extent that such
organizations may expressly waive their immunity for the purpose of
any proceedings or by the terms of any contract.
(c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever
located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless
such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The
archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.
(d) Insofar as concerns customs duties and internal-revenue taxes
imposed upon or by reason of importation, and the procedures in
connection therewith; the registration of foreign agents; and the
treatment of official communications, the privileges, exemptions,
and immunities to which international organizations shall be
entitled shall be those accorded under similar circumstances to
foreign governments.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/22/7/XVIII/288a
International organizations shall enjoy the status, immunities,
exemptions, and privileges set forth in this section, as follows:
(a) International organizations shall, to the extent consistent
with the instrument creating them, possess the capacity -
(i) to contract;
(ii) to acquire and dispose of real and personal property;
(iii) to institute legal proceedings.
(b) International organizations, their property and their assets,
wherever located, and by whomsoever held, shall enjoy the same
immunity from suit and every form of judicial process as is enjoyed
by foreign governments, except to the extent that such
organizations may expressly waive their immunity for the purpose of
any proceedings or by the terms of any contract.
(c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever
located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless
such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The
archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.
(d) Insofar as concerns customs duties and internal-revenue taxes
imposed upon or by reason of importation, and the procedures in
connection therewith; the registration of foreign agents; and the
treatment of official communications, the privileges, exemptions,
and immunities to which international organizations shall be
entitled shall be those accorded under similar circumstances to
foreign governments.
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The Almighty
Which again leads to what I stated earlier... they are no longer subject to property searches and are no longer subject to the FOIA requests. Thanks.