Executive Order #13524

NigelTufnel said:
That's the Department of Justice U.S. National Central Bureau of Interpol which still is subject to FOIA because, unlike INTERPOL, it is indeed a United States government agency.

Try to keep up.
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interpol works through the DOJ you moron

The United States National Central Bureau (USNCB), a component of the U.S. Department of Justice, serves as the point of contact for all INTERPOL matters involving the United States and its state, local and federal law enforcement officials.
 
Are there any other offices of INTERPOL here in the US than the USNCB (The US National Central Bureau of INTERPOL) or those directly subordinate to that agency? According to what I know of INTERPOL there wouldn't and shouldn't be. In fact there may be no other offices other than that specific one, they would use that office to coordinate local enforcement agencies when necessary.
 
Damocles said:
Are there any other offices of INTERPOL here in the US than the USNCB (The US National Central Bureau of INTERPOL) or those directly subordinate to that agency? According to what I know of INTERPOL there wouldn't and shouldn't be. In fact there may be no other offices other than that specific one, they would use that office to coordinate local enforcement agencies when necessary.
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i'm with you, i don't see how, given that USNCB claims to be the point of contact for ALL interpol matters and is operational 24/7

The USNCB provides a variety of services to the U.S. law enforcement community including, but not limited to:

Requests for criminal investigative assistance for both domestic and foreign law enforcement agencies
Secure communications with police officials in 185 countries
Information from INTERPOL’s Databases, including the equivalent of the “International NCIC” with information on persons wanted in 187 countries, Stolen and Lost Travel Documents, Stolen Vehicles, DNA, and other criminal law enforcement information
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Yurt said:
no they did not....reagan exempted those immunities, obama gave them

good lord and you call us stooges....you don't have a clue what you're talking about and have no idea what the code says...
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No he didn't. Sections 2(a) and (b) applied to INTERPOL under the Reagan Executive Order.
 
NigelTufnel said:
No he didn't. Sections 2(a) and (b) applied to INTERPOL under the Reagan Executive Order.
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But 2(c) didn't and now does. Ugh... It's like you can't actually read or something. There is only one INTERPOL office in the US to extend such immunities to. There aren't any others.
 
NigelTufnel said:
And USNCB is subject to FOIA. Nothing in the Executive Order changes that.
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yes it does....interpol is now immune from searches, arguably an FOIA is a search

since USNCB is the point of contact for ALL interpol matters...and is subject to NOIA....iinterpol is subject as well as interpol operates specifically through a federal agency

now, where is your authority that says interpol is exempt?
 
Yurt said:
yes it does....interpol is now immune from searches, arguably an FOIA is a search

since USNCB is the point of contact for ALL interpol matters...and is subject to NOIA....iinterpol is subject as well as interpol operates specifically through a federal agency

now, where is your authority that says interpol is exempt?
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He doesn't realize that INTERPOL specifically works through national agencies of member nations. He thinks they are like the FBI or something with their own employees... at least that is what it seems like in this thread. I guess I should wait until he explains how this doesn't exempt the only INTERPOL office in the US from all search, including FOIA requests...

So far I haven't gotten him to explain why an entity that wouldn't be subject to any of our laws would need such an exemption. If he can first explain that he might be able to convince me it wasn't the sole INTERPOL office in the US that is exempted by this order.
 
Damocles said:
But 2(c) didn't and now does. Ugh... It's like you can't actually read or something. There is only one INTERPOL office in the US to extend such immunities to. There aren't any others.
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INTERPOL and the DOJ-USNCB are not the same thing. One is an extremely large international entity with headquarters in Lyon, France while the other is a U.S. government agency within the Department of Justice.

I think your conflation of the two as a single entity is the root of your problems.


By the by, I understand that 2(c) was previous not exempted and now it. That's what we've been discussing. Yurt was complaining about the immunity previously granted in Regan's Executive Order relating to 288 section 2(a) and (b)
 
Damocles said:
He doesn't realize that INTERPOL specifically works through national agencies of member nations. He thinks they are like the FBI or something with their own employees... at least that is what it seems like in this thread. I guess I should wait until he explains how this doesn't exempt the only INTERPOL office in the US from all search, including FOIA requests...
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i think you're right...that would explain his thinking

interpol is mostly a database and according to wiki it does not have its own police officers:

Each member country maintains a National Central Bureau (NCB) staffed by national law enforcement officers.

so now it appears obama has given these national officers and interpol data immunity from search and IMO, from FOIA requests as such a request is no doubt a search
 
NigelTufnel said:
INTERPOL and the DOJ-USNCB are not the same thing. One is an extremely large international entity with headquarters in Lyon, France while the other is a U.S. government agency within the Department of Justice.

I think your conflation of the two as a single entity is the root of your problems.


By the by, I understand that 2(c) was previous not exempted and now it. That's what we've been discussing. Yurt was complaining about the immunity previously granted in Regan's Executive Order relating to 288 section 2(a) and (b)
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There is only one office in the US that such immunities could be extended to, there is absolutely no reason to extend immunities to the offices in France. You are again being deliberately obtuse. France's NCB would be subject to France's laws, the US NCB is subject to ours.

It's like you have no clue what comprises INTERPOL and think it's an agency of its own. Seriously, you are mistaken. INTERPOL is not centrally controlled from any central executive. Each nation has an office that is staffed by law enforcement officers from that nation. They don't even get to travel over here and arrest people, they talk to our office (the one now being granted immunities it didn't previously have) who coordinates with local entities to effect arrests and investigations.
 
NigelTufnel said:
INTERPOL and the DOJ-USNCB are not the same thing. One is an extremely large international entity with headquarters in Lyon, France while the other is a U.S. government agency within the Department of Justice.

I think your conflation of the two as a single entity is the root of your problems.


By the by, I understand that 2(c) was previous not exempted and now it. That's what we've been discussing. Yurt was complaining about the immunity previously granted in Regan's Executive Order relating to 288 section 2(a) and (b)
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one time i inadvertantly read 2(b) and you constantly whine about it as if that is all i have been talking about :pke:
 
Yurt said:
i think you're right...that would explain his thinking

interpol is mostly a database and according to wiki it does not have its own police officers:

Each member country maintains a National Central Bureau (NCB) staffed by national law enforcement officers.

so now it appears obama has given these national officers and interpol data immunity from search and IMO, from FOIA requests as such a request is no doubt a search
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Yes, that is what it appears to me too.
 
Interpol is the shorthand for the International Criminal Police Organization. It was established in 1923 and operates in about 188 countries. By executive order 12425, issued in 1983, President Reagan recognized Interpol as an international organization and gave it some of the privileges and immunities customarily extended to foreign diplomats. Interpol, however, is also an active law-enforcement agency, so critical privileges and immunities (set forth in Section 2(c) of the International Organizations Immunities Act) were withheld. Specifically, Interpol's property and assets remained subject to search and seizure, and its archived records remained subject to public scrutiny under provisions like the Freedom of Information Act. Being constrained by the Fourth Amendment, FOIA, and other limitations of the Constitution and federal law that protect the liberty and privacy of Americans is what prevents law-enforcement and its controlling government authority from becoming tyrannical.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=
 
Damocles said:
There is only one office in the US that such immunities could be extended to, there is absolutely no reason to extend immunities to the offices in France. You are again being deliberately obtuse. France's NCB would be subject to France's laws, the US NCB is subject to ours.

It's like you have no clue what comprises INTERPOL and think it's an agency of its own. Seriously, you are mistaken. INTERPOL is not centrally controlled from any central executive. Each nation has an office that is staffed by law enforcement officers from that nation. They don't even get to travel over here and arrest people, they talk to our office (the one now being granted immunities it didn't previously have) who coordinates with local entities to effect arrests.
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Damocles - You are now basically arguing that an office within the U.S. Department of Justice is an international organization and not subject to US law. It isn't. At all.

Any executive order dealing with international organizations, such as that one that Obama issued concerning INTERPOL, has exactly zero application to the USNCB.

Get a grip. Seriously.

And I'm well aware of how INTERPOL operates. As I said a few hours ago:

The issue is whether the exemption from search means that INTERPOL is exempt from FOIA. My very simple and straightforward argument is that (a) FOIA never applied to INTERPOL because it isn't an agency within the meaning of FOIA and that (b) to the extent that INTERPOL operates in the United States it does so under the Department of Justice which is subject to FOIA. The end result being that this Executive Order has no bearing whatsoever on FOIA and INTERPOL.
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NigelTufnel said:
Damocles - You are now basically arguing that an office within the U.S. Department of Justice is an international organization and not subject to US law. It isn't. At all.

Any executive order dealing with international organizations, such as that one that Obama issued concerning INTERPOL, has exactly zero application to the USNCB.

Get a grip. Seriously.

And I'm well aware of how INTERPOL operates. As I said a few hours ago:
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your lack of knowledge on interpol is stupendous

interpol is NOT a legally recognized international organization, it is a private organization and it took reagan's EO to classify them in america as an international organization
 
good lord nigel....get some facts before you go off on other people

the USNCB is a sub bureau of interpol....without the USNCB interpol could not operate in the US

FOIA does apply to interpol via the USNCB
 
NigelTufnel said:
Damocles - You are now basically arguing that an office within the U.S. Department of Justice is an international organization and not subject to US law. It isn't. At all.

Any executive order dealing with international organizations, such as that one that Obama issued concerning INTERPOL, has exactly zero application to the USNCB.

Get a grip. Seriously.

And I'm well aware of how INTERPOL operates. As I said a few hours ago:
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You didn't read the article. What you said was flatly incorrect and you have given no evidence that you understand how INTERPOL operates or you wouldn't be saying what you have here.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=

The only office (property) and access to their database in the US is the office you continue to say isn't the unexplained recipient of unnecessary exemptions from the constitution.
 
Yurt said:
good lord nigel....get some facts before you go off on other people

the USNCB is a sub bureau of interpol....without the USNCB interpol could not operate in the US

FOIA does apply to interpol via the USNCB
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Apparently not anymore.
 
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