imagine government being able to open your own private safe

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Imagine buying a safe to protect your valuables from criminals

then imagine watching government agents come in and easily open it up because the safe manufacturer programmed a back door code and gave it to the government.

https://notthebee.com/article/liber...licy-after-handing-backdoor-access-to-the-fbi

Do you own things you want to keep safe? Maybe guns, valuables, or important documents? If so, there is a good chance you own a safe to keep those items in. You might also believe you are the only one that has access to the safe. Sadly, you might be wrong.

For charges related to the January 6th attack on the United States Capitol Building, the FBI obtained warrants to arrest and search Arkansas resident Nathan Hughes's person and property. On August 30th, Liberty Safe was contacted by the FBI and requested that Liberty Safe provide the FBI with access codes needed to complete their search of Hughes’s property.

Liberty Safe complied. The codes were provided, and the FBI gained access to the Liberty Safes in question.

Hughes's charges are irrelevant. What is deeply concerning is Liberty Safe’s willingness to assist the FBI in accessing his safe. While the FBI seems to have had full right by law to search his safe because it had a valid warrant, the actual act of doing so is on them. The choice of cooperation in accessing the safe should be held only by Hughes. Instead, Liberty Safe provided access codes the public didn’t even know existed.

To be clear, Liberty was not the target of the warrant or of a subpoena. From what is known, the company was not legally obligated to provide the FBI with the ordered code. It did so merely at the request of the FBI and because the agency provided a copy of the warrant for Mr. Hughes.
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That could be easily avoided by statute.

If the safe were opened inappropriately,
the statue could mandate than any incriminating evidence was inadmissible in court
and the contents had to be returned.

Any first year Harvard law student could write that law as absolute boilerplate.

All we need are simple laws to avoid such nonsense,

but we have a totally inefficient and dysfunctional government

as created by our "magnificently perfect" Constitution.
 
Imagine not complying with a search warrant.

Wait, we don’t have to. Trump already did that with classified documents. Can you say “indicted”?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
That could be easily avoided by statute.

If the safe were opened inappropriately,
the statue could mandate than any incriminating evidence was inadmissible in court
and the contents had to be returned.

Any first year Harvard law student could write that law as absolute boilerplate.

All we need are simple laws to avoid such nonsense,

but we have a totally inefficient and dysfunctional government

as created by our "magnificently perfect" Constitution.
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And yet you are still here all the while complaining.
 
Liberty screwed up with the fact they did not give the customer the option of telling Liberty to remove that code from their records which is now a step that Liberty has taken. Apple did it better by telling the government to shove it up their ass. I would have liked Liberty to tell the government, we'll get on that right away, and hang up the phone for a month or two. I wonder if Libertly's lifetime guarantee against break-in or damage came into play here.

Liberty makes a great product and I am sorry they made such a stupid mistake. I suspect they will pay dearly and all other safe manufacturers will be scrambling and sending out notices to their registered owners informing them of their particular policies.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Imagine buying a safe to protect your valuables from criminals

then imagine watching government agents come in and easily open it up because the safe manufacturer programmed a back door code and gave it to the government.

https://notthebee.com/article/liber...licy-after-handing-backdoor-access-to-the-fbi
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They had a warrant, They didn't have to have the codes. They could have drilled out the door if the person refused to open it.
Hughes should be happy they didn't have to destroy the safe to get into it.
 
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