GDP: US Economy grows at fastest pace in nearly two years. God Bless Bidenomics.

Sorry you are way too simplistic. Both Clinton and the Banking Chairman Barney Frank pushed legislation for banks to make subprime loans to people that could not afford them by the time those loans defaulted to an avalanche of debt Bush was in office. But the decisions that caused the 2008 financial crisis were firmly rooted in the Clinton Administration.

It is amazing how desperate Republicans are to blame things on Clinton a decade afterwards. And yet they deny trump has any blame for anything that happened weeks later.

OR EVEN WHEN trump WAS IN OFFICE??? Somehow trump should not be blamed for what happened when he was in office.
 
It is amazing how desperate Republicans are to blame things on Clinton a decade afterwards. And yet they deny trump has any blame for anything that happened weeks later.

OR EVEN WHEN trump WAS IN OFFICE??? Somehow trump should not be blamed for what happened when he was in office.

The subject was the housing crash (and responsibility). There were many people/actions involved in getting to that point, including actions by the Clinton Administration. There's nothing desperate about someone stating that.
 
The subject was the housing crash (and responsibility). There were many people/actions involved in getting to that point, including actions by the Clinton Administration. There's nothing desperate about someone stating that.

At the time they tried to blame Carter, who had been retired for 24 years.

The fact is that almost none of the Clinton loans were underwater. That means they literally could not fail. For a Clinton or Carter policy to have caused any trouble in 2008, it would have had to have been continued by Bush.

Meanwhile, trump carries two thirds of the blame for the inflation, and none of the credit for battling the inflation.
 
At the time they tried to blame Carter, who had been retired for 24 years.

The fact is that almost none of the Clinton loans were underwater. That means they literally could not fail. For a Clinton or Carter policy to have caused any trouble in 2008, it would have had to have been continued by Bush.

Meanwhile, trump carries two thirds of the blame for the inflation, and none of the credit for battling the inflation.

There's a reason historians judge Presidents years, decades even, after they are out of office because it can take that long to see the full effect of their policies. So this idea that because someone (no matter who it is) is out of office and therefore the policies they supported at the time no longer have relevance, is quite frankly rather ignorant.
 
Partisans will (almost) always try to spin things to make their side look good. That doesn’t change what I wrote about the role of the President and about what led up to housing crisis. It didn’t happen overnight, it was years/decade(s) in the making

Nope.

The "housing crisis" was actually a "subprime mortgage crisis" and subprime mortgages had existed since 1993...they only started being a problem in 2004 when their share of the mortgage market exploded.

Also, every single subprime mortgage was issued by a private bank, was NOT backed by Fannie & Freddie, but were encouraged by the Bush Administration.

The Bush Administration inflated a housing bubble to make it look like their tax cuts worked when they didn't.
 
The subject was the housing crash (and responsibility). There were many people/actions involved in getting to that point, including actions by the Clinton Administration. There's nothing desperate about someone stating that.

Nope.

In 2000, Clinton actually put HUD rules on GSO's that prevented them from counting subprime mortgages towards affordable housing goals.

Bush reversed those rules in 2004, and that's why subprimes went from 8-10% of the mortgage market from 1993-2003 to 40% of the mortgage market by 2006.
 
The subject was the housing crash (and responsibility). There were many people/actions involved in getting to that point, including actions by the Clinton Administration. There's nothing desperate about someone stating that.

But the Bush Jr American Dream Downpayment Act was the main driver for the mortgage collapse. If Clinton Administration policies were significantly harmful, the mortgage collapse would've happened during his term, not 10 years later.

Follow the timeline:

2002: Bush Jr. Signs the American Dream Downpayment Act
2004: The Mortgage Bubble begins. People start buying homes with no money down. Homes they can't afford but Bush Jr wanted to put 5 million low-income Americans in homes.
2007: The Bubble starts to burst as the Low-income buyers walk away from the homes they can't afford.
2008: The Mortgage Meltdown and Bush Jr Recession send the economy in the tank causing the worst economic crisis in 80 years.
 
Do you remember this? Who knew making loans to people that could not afford to pay them back was a bad idea. :dunno:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greats...the-truth-about-barney-frank/?sh=14376dd163db

That was not the problem at all and you bought another lie.


The loans that were written and crashed in the sub prime crisis where NOT ones that fit into Barney Franks legislation. They failed and should have been rejected and never made them in to the stack.

It was a lack of more regulation and enforcement that caused the problem.
 
and then bankers took bad loans (which they knew were bad) and resecuritized them and resold them with a known false rating, magnifying the damage many times.

and then they god bailed out for their malfeasance.

bankers are trash. fascists are trash.
^^^ First time you got something correct. So full credit to you.


It was NOT that poorer people got access to loans, that was the ultimate cause.

It was the myriad of completely fraudulent loans (NINJA loans, etc) that were written in astounding numbers and the system turned a blind eye too because home values were going up so fast and predictably that the lack of income or other factors was papered over by the ability to refinance later.

As soon as the market went into a downturn (a predictably eventuality) all of those fraudulent loans at the bottom of the stack defaulted.

That then causes a glut of homes in poorer neighbourhoods to be foreclosed upon, and sold off at fire sale rates, destroying the equity in the tranche of homes just above that, of the poorer BUT PAYING people, who then see a bunch of foreclosures as interest rates spike and their home equity collapses.

And so on and so on, until you get to the more wealthy tier of home owners who have significant equity cushions in their homes to withstand the swing.


BUt it is the first domino that triggers this which is all the FRAUDELENT loans in the system, not poorer people getting access to loans under Dodd Frank, that they were paying.
 
^^^ First time you got something correct. So full credit to you.


It was NOT that poorer people got access to loans, that was the ultimate cause.

It was the myriad of completely fraudulent loans (NINJA loans, etc) that were written in astounding numbers and the system turned a blind eye too because home values were going up so fast and predictably that the lack of income or other factors was papered over by the ability to refinance later.

As soon as the market went into a downturn (a predictably eventuality) all of those fraudulent loans at the bottom of the stack defaulted.

That then causes a glut of homes in poorer neighbourhoods to be foreclosed upon, and sold off at fire sale rates, destroying the equity in the tranche of homes just above that, of the poorer BUT PAYING people, who then see a bunch of foreclosures as interest rates spike and their home equity collapses.

And so on and so on, until you get to the more wealthy tier of home owners who have significant equity cushions in their homes to withstand the swing.


BUt it is the first domino that triggers this which is all the FRAUDELENT loans in the system, not poorer people getting access to loans under Dodd Frank, that they were paying.
yep.
 
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Dow continues to plummet at an alarming rate. Yesterday we saw it shed 300, another 400 so far today. Bidenomics is doing away with your 401K.
 
Dow continues to plummet at an alarming rate. Yesterday we saw it shed 300, another 400 so far today. Bidenomics is doing away with your 401K.

stock markets are a deceptive store of wealth.

nobody is actually richer until they sell the stock, and if people start selling the stock the price plummets.

stock markets allow people to feel rich while giving them nothing.

very stupid.

A false sense of SECURITIES.
 
There's a reason historians judge Presidents years, decades even, after they are out of office because it can take that long to see the full effect of their policies. So this idea that because someone (no matter who it is) is out of office and therefore the policies they supported at the time no longer have relevance, is quite frankly rather ignorant.

Do you have any proof that Clinton's policies led to the mortgage crisis, besides him being out of office for 10 years?
 
stock markets are a deceptive store of wealth.

nobody is actually richer until they sell the stock, and if people start selling the stock the price plummets.

stock markets allow people to feel rich while giving them nothing.

very stupid.

A false sense of SECURITIES.

Beats the hell out of banks, or putting cash in a mattress...
 
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