Hertz plans for EVs to make up 25% of its 500,000 vehicles. MAGA soils diapers.

[NiftyNiblick]

The only time I dress up is at weddings and funerals. I hate wearing a suit and tie.
I'm just a blue jeans kind of guy.

OK, but I'm not.

That does explain the different attitude toward tall head restraints, however.
They don't restrict a baseball cap at all.

 

[Nordberg]

https://www.carparts.com/blog/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars

Electric vehicles (EVs), tend to require less frequent repairs because they have fewer moving parts than gas cars. Fully battery reliant vehicles also don’t need oil changes and other regular maintenance activities linked to gas-powered engines.

An EV's upfront cost may be up to 40% higher than an equivalent gas vehicle model, but it makes up for the difference with hefty ownership savings. According to Consumer Reports, electric car owners can save over $4,700 worth of fuel within the first seven years of ownership. Total ownership savings can range from $6,000 to $10,000 throughout the EV’s lifespan, depending on the make and model of the vehicles being compared.

Electric vehicles are a little more convenient to own. Since they don’t have an engine, you don’t have to put up with scheduling spark plug replacements, timing belt checks, and other scheduled services essential for your engine. You can also charge an EV to full capacity while it’s parked at home overnight to get it running the next day.

No mufflers either.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

No mufflers either.

You never realize how complex an internal combustion engine is until you see another option. And the ICE car loses so much energy as heat that you have to deal with.

Electric motors transfers the energy directly to the axle. So much more efficient. So much less maintenance. There's just no argument there.

 

[ExpressLane]

In 2021, Hertz announced plans to electrify its fleet of rental cars. The company purchased 100,000 Tesla Model 3 vehicles and added Model Y vehicles to the order.



Hertz stock price is down from $34.15 (2021)$18.40 (2022) to $8.61 (2023) today. Hertz has been adding EVs to their fleet for a year.

Go woke go broke.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You never realize how complex an internal combustion engine is until you see another option. And the ICE car loses so much energy as heat that you have to deal with.

Electric motors transfers the energy directly to the axle. So much more efficient. So much less maintenance. There's just no argument there.

On the other hand, each has its place in terms of the work it does. Electric motors are not good a highly variable loads, and especially ones that exceed the horsepower and torque of the motor. CEMF just doesn't allow for them to work. An ICE engine can handle a wider range of loads. It may not be particularly efficient with a heavy load beyond what it is expected to handle, but it can be used.

That is, electric motors and EV's don't work well for towing or for heavy load hauling when they were designed to be efficient at normal vehicle weights with a specific load. ICE vehicles do much better.
At some point, you get to what's called 'locked rotor' with an electric motor. At that point, running it longer will smoke the motor. With an ICE engine it simply stalls under the load.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Part of the problem is that running large fleets rented out to Uber drivers turned out to be a dumb idea, because the cars take a lot of wear and tear not covered by warranty.

 

[ExpressLane]

Electric cars to prompt more traffic jams, government report warns


Howard Mustoe
Sun, October 29, 2023 at 2:28 PM CDT·2 min read
uk traffic
uk traffic
The rise of electric cars will cause an increase in traffic jams across the country, new analysis conducted by the Government shows.

The revelation has emerged as part of research into the benefits of EVs, which are set to account for four in every five vehicles sold in the UK by the end of the decade.

A surge in congestion across Britain’s roads will be fuelled by the reduced running cost of EVs, the Department for Transport found, which will lead to drivers covering more miles.

The report, published late last week, estimates that the cost of congestion will be £78bn over the next 50 years – which is higher than previous predictions of £52bn in March.

It also estimates that EVs will soon cost an average of four pence per kilometre to run, compared to almost 10p for cars with combustion engines.

So traffic jams congestion of cars other than EVs. So EVs are leading to pollution. BAD!

 

[Into the Night]

Legal competition... Black markets abound in a communist state.

Communism isn't a form of government. There is no such thing as a 'communist state'.

Black markets are capitalism. See your local drug dealer for details.
You are right in that black markets exist everywhere, especially in a region where communism and/or fascism prevails.

In every nation, capitalism, fascism, and communism exist. Most times slavery (yet another form of socialism) also exists.
In the States, all four types of economy exist. The same is true of Canada, Mexico, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan, Argentina, and even Brazil.

Socialism is theft of wealth. It can't even exist without capitalism, since only capitalism creates the wealth that socialism steals.

 

[Into the Night]

The average cost of a new electric vehicle (EV) is about $10,000 more than the overall industry average. In 2023, the average cost of a new EV was $53,376, which is about 10% higher than the overall new car market.

So $1,117 - $485 = $632 so you save $632 a year. But you pay $10,000 more to save S643 a year. So it will only take you 15.82 years to recoup your 10K additional investment. So you save $632c a year AFTER 15.82 years...yeah.

You don't save anything. It costs MORE to run an EV. This cost is masked by heavy subsidies.

 

[Into the Night]

It was just a few years ago that EVs were much more expensive than their combustion engine counterparts.

They still are. A LOT more expensive, both to purchase, and to drive.

However, electric cars are now becoming more popular every year,

They aren't.

and you might be starting to wonder how long it takes to charge an electric car and should you consider buying one?

Too long, and I would never consider wasting my money on the things.

The combination of improved battery technology,

Nope. Same battery. Li-ion still has the same joules per mole of lithium as always. That's part of physics, dude. It's a constant. It doesn't change.

high-speed charging equipment

Which isn't nearly as high speed as simply refueling a gasoline car.

and economies of scale in manufacturing,

Not a factor.

and the variety of EV companies have brought us to an inflection point.

Buzzword fallacy.

Here’s why people are joining the EV revolution and ditching their gas-guzzlers.

They aren't.

In this article, we’ll highlight why electric cars are better than gas cars and discuss how switching over to energy efficient vehicles can have a positive environmental impact for future generations

Wasting twice as much energy by using EVs is NOT a valuable environmental impact.

Zen-like driving & torque, like you've never experienced.

So you consider an EV a religion. I agree. A dumb religion that stems from the Church of Global Warming.

Perhaps the best selling point of a vehicle with an electric motor is the zen-like experience in the passenger cabin.

I already know you are a member of the Church of the EV.

That’s because electric vehicles are quieter and offer smoother acceleration and deceleration,

A lot of gasoline cars have exhaust systems so well constructed, you can't even tell they're running!

devoid of the vibrations,

Road vibrations occur with any car. There is not other source of vibration unless the vehicle is defective.

gear shifting and sounds of the internal combustion engine.

I already know you are a member of the Church of the EV.
I have no problem with: manual transmissions, automatic transmissions, CV transmissions.
I have no problem with the sound of an internal combustion engine.

Electric vehicles also have a lower center of gravity, which improves handling, responsiveness and safety.

FALSE! Weight is the biggest factor, and EVs weight a LOT!

[COLOR="#FF0000"Electric motors also generate instant linear torque, which cannot be matched by internal combustion engines.[/QUOTE]
Electric motors in EVs do not generate linear torque. They generate rotational torque.
Now let's look at some select cars and their acceleration:

Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170 - 1.66 seconds (0-60mph) (gasoline)
Aspark Owl - 1.72 seconds (0-60mph) (gasoline)
Rimac Nevera – 1.85 seconds (0-60mph) (gasoline
Lucid Air Sapphire – 1.89 seconds (0-60mph) (gasoline)
Koenigsegg Gemera - 1.9 seconds (0-62mph) (gasoline)
Pininfarina Battista – 1.9 seconds (0-62mph) (gasoline)
Tesla Model 3 - 3.6 seconds (0-60mph) (electric)

[QUOTE="Joe Capitalist, post: 5840515, member: 7044"]
For that reason, they can easily outperform any gasoline vehicle.[/COLOR]

Blatant lie.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I wonder if the fundamental miscalculation at Hertz was that ride share drivers would look after and take care of Hertz fleet cars as well as they take care of their own....but of course they dont....so Hertz has major costs that they never programmed.

This has the flavor of WOKE FantasyLand thinking.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Well, they also surely thought that regular people would be thrilled to rent EV's, which was also clearly wrong.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I wonder if the fundamental miscalculation at Hertz was that ride share drivers would look after and take care of Hertz fleet cars as well as they take care of their own....but of course they dont....so Hertz has major costs that they never programmed.

This has the flavor of WOKE FantasyLand thinking.

I don't think that EVs can survive with private sector charging stations replacing private sector fueling stations.

If the government takes over control of the charging stations and builds them everywhere, whether profitable locations or not,
then I'd be more likely to trust the EV.

One of this nation's major failures is having too many industries in the private sector which would operate more efficiently under government control.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Another possibility is that rideshare operators use sub optimal charging patterns thus wearing down the battery, thus making the cars worth less at resale, with Hertz taking the loss. Because time is money drivers will take the charge down to almost zero and keep taking jobs if they can get away with it, which is bad for the battery.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I don't think that EVs can survive with private sector charging stations replacing private sector fueling stations.

If the government takes over control of the charging stations and builds them everywhere, whether profitable locations or not,
then I'd be more likely to trust the EV.

One of this nation's major failures is having too many industries in the private sector which would operate more efficiently under government control.

There are growing calls for governments to not allow any other option but EV's, starting with a mandate that only hybrids and EV's can be sold.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The more I look into this the more I get to "WTF was Hertz thinking? Did Hertz do any thinking?".

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.carparts.com/blog/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars

...annnnnnnd more mindless cut and paste.....

Electric vehicles (EVs), tend to require less frequent repairs because they have fewer moving parts than gas cars.

WRONG. Gasoline engines of the same age do not require repairs any more than EVs do. Oh...and Tesla has the HIGHEST RECALL frequency of any car.

Fully battery reliant vehicles also don’t need oil changes

Meh. You save yourself a ten minute job once a year or so.

and other regular maintenance activities linked to gas-powered engines.

Well, I don't need to change my spark plugs, no need to 'tune-up' the engine (it's self tuning), I do change the oil about once a year, a ten minute job (meh), and...that's it. That's all I need to do.

An EV's upfront cost may be up to 40% higher than an equivalent gas vehicle model, but it makes up for the difference with hefty ownership savings.

Blatant lie. It is far more expensive to maintain an EV. It is more expensive to insure it. It is more expensive to buy it. It is more expensive to drive it. Subsidies are masking a lot of these expenses.

According to Consumer Reports, electric car owners can save over $4,700 worth of fuel within the first seven years of ownership.

No. You spend MORE in fuel. EVs use almost twice the energy per mile than gasoline cars. Again, heavy subsidies are masking the true cost.

Total ownership savings can range from $6,000 to $10,000 throughout the EV’s lifespan, depending on the make and model of the vehicles being compared.

There is no savings.

Electric vehicles are a little more convenient to own.

Right. You love worrying about charging your car all the time. I don't have to charge my car...ever. Just fill the tank and go. I have effectively infinite range with a gasoline car.

Since they don’t have an engine, you don’t have to put up with scheduling spark plug replacements,

I don't have to 'schedule spark plug replacements', since I don't need to.

timing belt checks,

I don't have to check the timing belt. I don't have one.

and other scheduled services essential for your engine.

...such as?

You can also charge an EV to full capacity while it’s parked at home overnight to get it running the next day.

But it won't drive for all day without recharging it.

 

[Into the Night]

I honestly don't care whether the ice car survives or is replaced by the ev.

As long as they both have those tall head restraints, they both suck irredeemably.

If you would rather have the risk of whiplash in a rear end accident, you CAN remove the headrests.

 

[Into the Night]

Electric cars to prompt more traffic jams, government report warns


Howard Mustoe
Sun, October 29, 2023 at 2:28 PM CDT·2 min read
uk traffic
uk traffic
The rise of electric cars will cause an increase in traffic jams across the country, new analysis conducted by the Government shows.

The revelation has emerged as part of research into the benefits of EVs, which are set to account for four in every five vehicles sold in the UK by the end of the decade.

A surge in congestion across Britain’s roads will be fuelled by the reduced running cost of EVs, the Department for Transport found, which will lead to drivers covering more miles.

The report, published late last week, estimates that the cost of congestion will be £78bn over the next 50 years – which is higher than previous predictions of £52bn in March.

It also estimates that EVs will soon cost an average of four pence per kilometre to run, compared to almost 10p for cars with combustion engines.

Mostly blatant lies.
The UK government not only heavily subsidizes EVs, they subsidize the charging systems and force mandates on them.

 

[Into the Night]

No mufflers either.

So?