Newsome wipes the floor with DeSantis.

TOP said:
When a woman has a miscarriage, she loses a baby...When a woman has an abortion, she terminates a baby.
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When a woman has a miscarriage, she has lost an embryo or a fetus. *She* thinks of it as a baby, but it is not one and sadly never will be.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes, once the four-chambered heart has formed, around 7-8 weeks of gestation. The sound heard prior to that, referenced in so-called "fetal heartbeat laws," is not a heartbeat as no heart exists prior to 7-8 weeks from conception.

So what?
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The heart starts pumping blood at 3-4 weeks
 
When a woman has a miscarriage, she loses a developing baby...when she has an abortion, she terminates the life of her developing, unborn child...
A fetus is a developing, unborn baby...
 
TOP said:
When a woman has a miscarriage, she loses a developing baby...when she has an abortion, she terminates the life of her developing, unborn child...
A fetus is a developing, unborn baby...
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Why, thank you, Professor Obvious! Wow! You sure are smart! :awesome:

Why do you think that you have the right to tell another woman what to do with her body?
 
ExpressLane said:
The heart starts pumping blood at 3-4 weeks
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That does seem to be correct...an action which defines the beginning of that baby's life... soon after, the heart begins to beat...and the life continues to develop until birth.... a life only ending when the heart ceases to beat...
 
TOP said:
That does seem to be correct...an action which defines the beginning of that baby's life... soon after, the heart begins to beat...and the life continues to develop until birth.... a life only ending when the heart ceases to beat...
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The baby's life began sooner than a heartbeat.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You're a "doctor" like I'm an astronaut. There is a tube present at that gestational that will someday be the heart. It is the result of two tubes fusing. It is not a heart. And again, so what?

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OK Sally Ride :palm: Even your own illustration shows directional blood flow at 20 days. :laugh:

At the end of the 4th week of gestation, the heartbeats of the embryo begin.

The heart, whose development starts at the 3rd week of gestation, has rapid and irregular contractions capable of pumping the blood inside the vessels.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...t the end of the,the blood inside the vessels.


the cardiovascular system is the first organ system to function and that the human embryonic heart starts beating at 21 to 23 days after fertilization [6,7,8]. During this short time period, human embryos are said to pass through stage 10 of the so-called Carnegie stages (CS) of human embryonic development, and their length is said to vary between 1.5 and 3 mm [9]. The heart of CS-10 embryos has a relatively simple form design, which resembles a tubular blood vessel.
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The developmental period defined as CS-10 was first described in 1957 (at that time called “age group X” or “horizon X”), and it was already in this paper that the onset of cardiac pumping activity was assigned to this stage of development and that the age of CS-10 embryos was estimated to be 22 ± 1 days after fertilization
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9225347/
 
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Why, thank you, Professor Obvious! Wow! You sure are smart! :awesome:

Why do you think that you have the right to tell another woman what to do with her body?
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We aren't concerned about what a woman does with HER body . We are concerned about what a woman does with someone else's body.
 
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ExpressLane said:
We aren't concerned about what a woman does wit HER body . We are concerned about what a woman does with someone else's body.
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Conservatives here have shown how pro-life they are w/ how they have posted about civilians in Gaza.

"Pro life" in America is really just about controlling women.
 
Jarod said:
"One thing is certain, neither Ron DeSantis or I will be our party's nominee for president in 2024"

Ron refused to answer if he supports a federal 6 week ban on abortion.
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Wiping the floor with DeSantis is a low bar.
My Avatar rolls hers eyes when that clown is on TV.
 
ExpressLane said:
We aren't concerned about what a woman does with HER body . We are concerned about what a woman does with someone else's body.
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Indeed.

The unborn infant has a separate brain, heart and DNA.

If it were her body, when she kills it, she would die.
 
Earl said:
Indeed.

The unborn infant has a separate brain, heart and DNA.

If it were her body, when she kills it, she would die.
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One, Vandy Boy, you're an idiot.
That's pretty much a given.
The Groanin' Commodore is a living, breathing, walking shit show.

Two, given what assclowns like yourself have done to this nation,
our sympathy needs to be with the babies who weren't aborted.
 
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