France & Germany still DO NOT PAY their NATO obligations - a middle finger to Ukraine

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France & Germany still DO NOT PAY their NATO obligations - a middle finger to Ukraine

2 greedy European economic power houses. :palm:
Why won't Europe pay for its own defense?


"Two founding states – France and Germany – both missed the mark at 1.9% and 1.57%, despite being economic leaders in the alliance."

Countries that refuse to pay up ... and demand Americans foot the bill ...
France (1.9 %)
Montenegro (1.87 %)
North Macedonia (1.87 %)
Bulgaria (1.84 %)
Croatia (1.79 %)
Albania (1.76 %)
Netherlands (1.7 %)
Norway (1.67 %)
Denmark (1.65 %)
Germany (1.57 %)
Czech Republic (1.5 %)
Portugal (1.48 %)
Italy (1.46 %)
Canada (1.38 %)
Slovenia (1.35 %)
Turkey (1.31 %)
Spain (1.26 %)
Belgium (1.26 %)

https://metro.co.uk/2024/02/13/map-...ail-reach-2-minimum-spending-budget-20269340/
 
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Cypress said:
So you agree with the sleazebag Trump that we should be e egging on Putin to invade western Europe.
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Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


"Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

https://tradingeconomics.com/german...corded a trade surplus,Billion in May of 1991.
 
These greedy socialist Euro pigs hate Americans. They steal from Americans.

They give the middle finger to Ukrainians and Americans The Euro pigs kiss Pootie's ass and fund his war.


"Pipeline gas: The EU was the largest buyer (purchasing 43% of Russia's pipeline gas), closely followed by Turkey (27%) and China (21%). No sanctions are imposed on Russian gas via pipeline into the EU.Aug 22, 2023"

https://energyandcleanair.org/july-...line gas: The EU was,via pipeline into the EU.


And Biden wants to halt New U.S. LNG production. :palm: :palm:
 
Bigdog said:
Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


"Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

https://tradingeconomics.com/german...corded a trade surplus,Billion in May of 1991.
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So Trump lied when he claimed credit for getting them to pay their share
 
Bigdog said:
Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


"Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

https://tradingeconomics.com/german...corded a trade surplus,Billion in May of 1991.
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I noticed you were too ashamed to answer the question.
 
Magats continue to be stupid so will decode this for them.

France and Germany meeting Nato obligations ONLY MEANS they would spend more of their budget on their own defense and weapons. There is no fund to be paid or debt owed.

Since the Russia War on Ukraine, France and Germany, and the rest of the EU have supplied the bulk of CASH to Ukraine. America has sent the most weapons but France, Germany and the rest of EU have given the most cash.


That CASH helps Ukraine far more to fight Russia, than France and Germany upping their troops and spending on their military. So in a time of extreme budget pressures, such as Putin's war has created in Europe it is far more strategic for France and Germany to prioritize giving Ukraine cash.

If the EU was going to fight in Ukraine, and defend them that way, you could argue then spending that money on their own military would make more sense, but that is not the case.


So derps gonna derp.
 
Bigdog said:
Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


"Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

https://tradingeconomics.com/german...corded a trade surplus,Billion in May of 1991.
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What part of the treaty is Germany breaking?
You seem confused as to what is actually in the treaty vs what other items have been created and agreed to by NATO members.

Nothing in the treaty says any country has to spend 2% of it's GDP on defense.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm
 
Bigdog said:
Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


"Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

https://tradingeconomics.com/german...corded a trade surplus,Billion in May of 1991.
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Take your fake binary out of here that if they do not pay to up their own defense we should then push an enemy to attack them.

Trump continues to show he will betray each and every American ideal and he hates every foundation America was built upon.
 
Lionfish said:
Trump spouts off and hours later there is a wakeup call.
This took .0035 seconds,

Only 35% of NATO Countries Meet the Group’s Defense Spending Target

Trump’s Russia threat against NATO: What US allies are spending on defence
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The group's defense spending target is NOT part of the treaty.
I realize counting to 10 is hard for you so I won't hold your stupidity against you.

No one is breaking the treaty by spending less than 2%.
For any treaty to be valid in the US it must be ratified by the US Senate. The Senate has never ratified a treaty requiring anyone spend 2% or more of their GDP on defense.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The group's defense spending target is NOT part of the treaty.
I realize counting to 10 is hard for you so I won't hold your stupidity against you.

No one is breaking the treaty by spending less than 2%.
For any treaty to be valid in the US it must be ratified by the US Senate. The Senate has never ratified a treaty requiring anyone spend 2% or more of their GDP on defense.
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Only 35% of NATO Countries Meet the Group’s Defense Spending Target
 
Lionfish said:
Only 35% of NATO Countries Meet the Group’s Defense Spending Target
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Humorous, “copy and paste’s” point gets undercut and in rebuttal he offers the same post except larger and darker, like the kid who thinks if he yells louder it makes him right
 
Other nations have sent tons of money to Ukraine. The rightys are stopping us from doing the right thing. None of those nations are refusing to pay anything. The deal is that they will spend 2 percent of GDP on their military.
America is not footing anyone's bill. There is no fund and no paying.
 
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