Let's See What Happens to Kangaroo Court "Fraud" Conviction on Appeal

No, Terry. I believed common sense, the US medical community and the world health organization. The fact you find fault with that tells me how far over the edge you have traveled.

Common sense proved to be ignoring both. Masks ended up proven ineffective. The vaccines proved ineffective. Social distancing proved ineffective. The fact that you are willing to believe "experts" unquestioningly proves you have no common sense and have already long ago gone over the lemming cliff.
 
The judge relied quite heavily on the testimony of experts. The problem for Trump is the experts put on by the state were much more convincing than the "experts" presented by Trump.
The judge lays out the facts for why the state's experts were much more convincing. For instance, they used actual math to show the difference in interest over the life of a loan if the loan interest was 25 basis points higher. Trump's 'experts' admitted they didn't even look at the appraisals.

Bullshit. The "experts" put on by the state were morons dealing in fantasy.

The actual lenders involved said that they used THEIR OWN APPRAISALS, as does every other lender.

Your confusion about how real estate works is the same as the state's "experts".

Real estate values are NEVER FINITE. They change by the day.

Trying to get a favorable loan is not a crime anywhere, except i the NYC SSR.
 
Probably nothing, perhaps a slight reduction in the fine, but no way they overturn the fraud conviction, he broke the law, committed Fraud, no one to deny that fact, all the “no one complained” bullshit is irrelevant

And appealing the case sounds easy to you, perhaps cause Trump appeals and delays everything, but he doesn’t walk free, he has to either deposit that money in an account while the appeal takes place, or, bond for it at higher rates. Either way, your Messiah ain’t happy

You do the crime, you pay the fine

No crime. No one was defrauded of anything.
 
No, "The ACTUAL LENDERS" (please excuse the omission of your ever present bf) do not typically use their own assessment. They rely on appraisals furnished by the borrower. That they should never have relied on data furnished by Donald Trump goes without saying.

Total nonsense. THe Lenders' appraisal is what determines the value of all real estate.

How much can you sell it for.

I guess every art dealer on Earth is guilty of fraud.
 
The fraud was perpetrated on everyone that plays by the rules and every taxpayer. fuck the lenders they were not the victims of his crimes.

What asinine nonsense. No one was defrauded of anything.

The rules WERE FOLLOWED, according to the lenders involved.


If one negotiates a better price for a car than someone else, have they "defrauded" that person?

How moronic.
 
You are ignorant. he broke the law and a fucking bank is not the one who can determine who broke the law. Trump may have some fines reduced but he will never get the final verdict changed, he was guilty.

He broke no law, and defrauded no one.
 
He did not ignore them. Trump cheated like the MFer he is. He lied to banks and the IRS with his properties varying dramatically determined by whom he was giving the info to. His evaluations were multiples in difference.

So every art dealer on Earth is guilty of "fraud" for demanding a higher, completely arbitrary price ?

Amazing hoiw clueless leftists are about real life and commerce.
 
Again, for the hard headed, it doesn’t make a difference what the banks said, Trump committed fraud, he took an advantage that others didn’t have to benefit himself, Trump flat out broke the law

And again, if a person runs a stop sign and no one gets hurt, and others waiting to take their turn say they did not care, does that mean the cop can not issue the guy a ticket for breaking the law?

Complete bullshit. The state does not determine real estate values; lenders do.
 
You don't seem to understand the basics of a commercial loan. You especially don't understand the principle of a personally guaranteed commercial loan.
This has nothing to do with the value of the property on which the loan was taken out. It has to do with personal financial statements required to be submitted annually as part of the loan agreement.
When I submit a financial statement to a bank, I don't get to decide that my 100 shares of APPLE are worth $1,000,000 anymore than I get to claim my house is now worth $10,000,000 when I bought it 5 years ago for $500,000. My home likely is worth more than the tax appraisal but it certainly isn't worth 2300% of the tax appraisal. My home also isn't suddenly 3 times its actual size.

The problem for Trump isn't that he just inflated the value a little. He made claims that were clearly false like claiming he had already built on land which was vacant and claiming he could subdivide the land into 3 times the number of lots allowed by the local authorities. That isn't just an opinion of value. That is lying about what is actually owned.

I understand that ALL REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE ARBITRARY, and are finally determined by hoiw m uch lenders will loan on them.

Everything else is bullshit.

NYC SSR better start arresting car dealers, art dealers, anyone selling anything with an arbitrary value.
 
appraiser

The appraiser considers and compares all possible differences between the comparable properties and the subject property that could affect value. Objectively verifiable market evidence should be used to determine these items.


NOT A FUCKING JUDGE, THE STATE, OR ANYONE ELSE.
 
I understand that ALL REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE ARBITRARY, and are finally determined by hoiw m uch lenders will loan on them.

Everything else is bullshit.

NYC SSR better start arresting car dealers, art dealers, anyone selling anything with an arbitrary value.

When the Regime weaponizes the courts to take out their enemies the reputation of the Regime suffers....how much they care I dont know as they clearly intend to use all forms of violence to keep power.
 
Common sense proved to be ignoring both. Masks ended up proven ineffective. The vaccines proved ineffective. Social distancing proved ineffective. The fact that you are willing to believe "experts" unquestioningly proves you have no common sense and have already long ago gone over the lemming cliff.
Please don't tell me that you really believe bullet-proof armor is really bullet-proof, Terry. I'd have to lose all respect for you as a military man.
 
I understand that ALL REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE ARBITRARY, and are finally determined by hoiw m uch lenders will loan on them.

Everything else is bullshit.

NYC SSR better start arresting car dealers, art dealers, anyone selling anything with an arbitrary value.

They are not arbitrary. They are evaluated using similar properties that were sold recently. They check condition, location and maintenance. https://www.nationwide.com/business/solutions-center/management/commercial-property-valuation
 
Bullshit. The "experts" put on by the state were morons dealing in fantasy.

The actual lenders involved said that they used THEIR OWN APPRAISALS, as does every other lender.

Your confusion about how real estate works is the same as the state's "experts".

Real estate values are NEVER FINITE. They change by the day.

Trying to get a favorable loan is not a crime anywhere, except i the NYC SSR.

I see you are now going to try to argue that Trump's lawyers were so incompetent they couldn't show that the state's experts weren't really experts.
No one said real estate values are finite. The size of a building doesn't change based on a whim and the number of buildings actually built doesn't change on a whim and the number of lots allowed by the local authorities doesn't change on a whim.
Trump claimed his 10,000 sq ft apartment in NY was 30,000 sq ft
Trump claimed he had built houses on land which had no buildings at all on them.
Trump claimed he could build 2500 houses on land the local authorities had restricted to 500 homes.

None of those things have anything to do with real estate values being finite. They have to do with lying on a statement where you are required by law to tell the truth.
 
I understand that ALL REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE ARBITRARY, and are finally determined by hoiw m uch lenders will loan on them.

Everything else is bullshit.

NYC SSR better start arresting car dealers, art dealers, anyone selling anything with an arbitrary value.

Value of real estate is NOT determined by how much lenders will loan.
You are a complete idiot. If I pay $1,000,000 cash for a piece of property and there is no lender determining the value, does that mean the value is zero? Of course not.

Value of real estate is determined based on appraisals which has a standard for how appraisals are done. The standard for appraisal is to look for similar properties sold recently and use that to create a valuation.


This is where Trump's lies get him in trouble. Appraisals calculate the square foot cost of properties to use as a comparison. If Trump lies and says his apartment is 30,000 sq ft instead of the 10,000 it actually is, the appraisal will be wrong using price per sq foot. If the average price for a lot you can build on is a certain amount, when Trump claims his property can be 2,500 lots instead of the 500 allowed he has lied.
 
appraiser

The appraiser considers and compares all possible differences between the comparable properties and the subject property that could affect value. Objectively verifiable market evidence should be used to determine these items.


NOT A FUCKING JUDGE, THE STATE, OR ANYONE ELSE.

If the appraiser is told an apartment is 30,000 sq ft instead of the 10,000 sq ft that it actually is and then Trump refuses to let the appraiser in to actually measure the apartment, that would be fraud.
 
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