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Trump wanted another nation to investigate a political opponent and used the aid payments to threaten Zelensky into agreeing to it.

I don't agree with the immunity claim for presidents. It is certainly not in the Constitution and the argument it would interfere with presidential business ignores the impeachment power which can occur during a president's term.

It has already been proven that there was no Blackmail or threat.

Biden was not president at the time.
 
It has already been proven that there was no Blackmail or threat.

Biden was not president at the time.

Nothing was "proven." The Trump supporters said it was not extortion but Trump was just concerned about corruption. The Trump opponents asked why he wanted Biden investigated and that bringing up what the U. S. was doing for Ukraine and asking for an investigation was not mere coincidence.
 
Nothing was "proven." The Trump supporters said it was not extortion but Trump was just concerned about corruption. The Trump opponents asked why he wanted Biden investigated and that bringing up what the U. S. was doing for Ukraine and asking for an investigation was not mere coincidence.

I have already debunked all those claims earlier in this thread.

Even Zelensky said there was no Blackmail.
 
I have already debunked all those claims earlier in this thread.

Even Zelensky said there was no Blackmail.

You did not debunk anything. You think Zelensky is going to accuse the U. S. president of extortion when he is depending on U. S. funding? On the other hand, everybody knows Trump is a notorious liar and would willingly lie about the issue.
 
You did not debunk anything. You think Zelensky is going to accuse the U. S. president of extortion when he is depending on U. S. funding? On the other hand, everybody knows Trump is a notorious liar and would willingly lie about the issue.

That is a leftist conspiracy theory. I debunked everything. Even the Senate investigation failed to prove there was blackmail.

On the other hand, Biden bragged about Blackmailing war torn Ukraine.
 
That is a leftist conspiracy theory. I debunked everything. Even the Senate investigation failed to prove there was blackmail.

On the other hand, Biden bragged about Blackmailing war torn Ukraine.

No conspiracy theory is involved. The public watched the hearings and read the transcript of the call so they knew exactly was was said. The foreign policy officials involved testified they believed the money was being given on condition.

You still haven't explained why Trump wanted Biden investigated.
 
No conspiracy theory is involved. The public watched the hearings and read the transcript of the call so they knew exactly was was said. The foreign policy officials involved testified they believed the money was being given on condition.

You still haven't explained why Trump wanted Biden investigated.

I already did earlier in the thread. The majority of the American people wanted to know why it was worth a billion dollars to Biden to fire an unknow prosecutor. To risk the fall of Ukraine over an unknown prosecutor.

They also wanted to know why Burisma hired a known junkie, Hunter, who was discharged from the Navy in 2014 for using cocaine.

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There was no conspiracy. The text of the call was made available for everybody to see. He was found not guilty of the charges in the impeachment articles, but the call made it clear he was asking Zelensky to investigate Biden. Whether it was "blackmail" or "extortion" in return for the money is not as important as his request of a foreign leader to investigate a potential political opponent. Completely inappropriate behavior for an American president.

That is subjective. That is mere opinion.

I watched much of the testimony, too. There was nothing inappropriate about the phone call.
 
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No, but I do think you are getting to be very desperate in your attempts to lie about Joe Biden.

If blaming Biden for being in business with Hunter don't work, you just make up something else.

If accusing Biden of having dementia don't work, you just make up something else.

Sir, you are basically just a desperate liar and BUTT HURT TRUMP SUPPORTER, now seeing the light of day that Trump cannot win the presidency in November.

So, you will just continue to lie about Biden, because you know you are on the losing side already!

Little Reptile. I have been telling Biden has dementia for months now. He dementia is accelerating. Have you noticed he can't even host a foreign leader without having note cards or a teleprompter? He sits with note cards in his lap for even the most simple tasks. That is a relatively recent occurrence. At times the photographers have photographed the cards and they told him to do basic simple things that he should remember to do without prompting. Dement tends to start off slower then speed up. That is what is happening to Biden now his dementia is speeding up. I'm not lying to you. You can go and look it up for yourself. A little lizard calling someone a liar does not make them a liar. You are using projection because I think you know Biden is senile and it scares you because America can see it too.


In the new poll, a combined 76% of voters say they have major concerns (62%) or moderate concerns (14%) about Biden’s not having the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term, compared with 24% who have either minor concerns (13%) or no concerns at all (11%).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...op-list-voters-concerns-poll-finds-rcna137212


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In addition, the NBC News poll found a combined 59% of voters who have concerns about Biden’s possible awareness of or involvement in the business dealings of his son Hunter Biden.
 
Sir, I am not the one who made politics a personal thing.

Here is the thing, sometimes the truth hurts.

You get your news on Fox News and THEY ARE LIARS and have created a FALSE REALITY. because their own audience just wants Fox News to tell them what to think. YOU ARE SIMPLY LIVING LIES that DONALD TRUMP STARTED AND FOX NEWS feeds those lies to you.

They didn't pay almost a billion dollar fine for their lying for nothing. THEY EARNED IT!

But so long as you follow Fake News and bring all that fake news here everyday- YOU AND I WILL NEVER LIVE IN THE SAME REALITY.

Let me know when you want to come back down to Earth and realize YOUR GUY TRUMP IS A LIAR, A CHEATER, and a TRAITOR.

That is why he is not the president, and my guy BIDEN is!

SO yes, THE TRUTH HURTS SOMETIMES. SO SORRY, BUT THAT IS FOR YOU TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

I didn't make your decisions for you- YOU DID! NOR DID I MAKE TRUMP'S DECISIONS- HE DID!
Little reptile CNN and MSNBS told you the Fake Russian Dossier was real and that Hunter's laptop was Russia disinformation. And Joe told you Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation and he knew NOTHING about Hunter's business dealing. Now we KNOW Joe knew his son's laptop was real and he called in on several business meetings of Hunter's business partners.
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In addition, the NBC News poll found a combined 59% of voters who have concerns about Biden’s possible awareness of or involvement in the business dealings of his son Hunter Biden



…Matt 7:2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…
 
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Little reptile CNN and MSNBS told you the Fake Russian Dossier was real and that Hunter's laptop was Russia disinformation. And Joe told you Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation and he knew NOTHING about Hunter's business dealing. Now we KNOW Joe knew his son's laptop was real and he called in on several business meetings of Hunter's business partners.
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…Matt 7:2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…

Dude, you need to catch up with the news. Smirnoff is not a credible witness, and is now being tried for lying, after making up a lie about Biden and his son were collaborating on foreign business deals. I TRIED T TELL YOU ALL THAT SHIT WAS NOTHING BUT SHIT!

So all 1,000 of your threads you started on this subject are now all in the SHIT CAN and just proven to be all FAKE NEWS. :laugh:

You should apologize to the forum for lying to us.

Next!
 
No conspiracy theory is involved. The public watched the hearings and read the transcript of the call so they knew exactly was was said. The foreign policy officials involved testified they believed the money was being given on condition.

You still haven't explained why Trump wanted Biden investigated.

My point, Flash, is that being a potential candidate does not mean you should be shielded from an investigation by anyone.

Why do think Biden deserved to be shielded?
 
Putin wants Biden to win in 2024 so maybe he is advising Biden how to jail him main opponent.

Putin and Trump are buddies. Putin knows Trump is like him, so he does have trust issues with him. Daffy says Putin is a great leader and a genius. When Trump met with Putin he did not allow a transcriber to be in the room and he did not have an American translator in either. Trump made his admiration of dictators clear. You have no idea who Trump is or how dangerous he is.
 
My point, Flash, is that being a potential candidate does not mean you should be shielded from an investigation by anyone.

Why do think Biden deserved to be shielded?

I said nothing about Biden being shielded. If there was any evidence (which there was none) he committed illegal acts he should be investigated and prosecuted. But it is not the job of the U. S. president to ask a foreign leader to investigate a family. Now it turns out any evidence was phony. It was a big waste of time and money.

And also that Shokin was not investigating Burisma (the investigation ended before Biden's intervention). Shokin was corrupt, not investigating corruption, and the U. S. and its allies worked together to get rid of him.

I don't think any presidents or former presidents should have immunity.
 
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