Jan 6 committee allegedly suppressed testimony showing Trump admin pushed for Nationa

domer76 said:
10,000 kinds of bullshit. He could deploy the Guard anywhere he chose to.

The DC Guard is at his DIRECT DISPOSAL. About 3,500 of them. He did not call them up, either. The Insurrection Act gives him the authority to call up ANY unit. But, he would have to admit it was an insurrection, wouldn’t he.

The procedure for mustering up any guard unit takes about one or two phone calls to a governor or NG commander. Just mere minutes, not 3 1/2 hours. Or, in this case, EVER.
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Outside of the MP battalion, there's a quartermaster truck company (truck drivers), a maintenance company (fixes the vehicles), an aviation maintenance company and two aviation air evac (medical) helicopter companies. Other than that, there are administrative and training units along with a headquarters (paper pushers and management). None of them get "riot training" in their weekend a month, two-weeks a year. They learn the jobs the unit does and those aren't handling riots, it's doing paperwork, fixing equipment or driving equipment. The medical unit has a portion of civilian medical professionals that perform those services in uniform.

And, no, Trump cannot just send the National Guard to the Capitol.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Outside of the MP battalion, there's a quartermaster truck company (truck drivers), a maintenance company (fixes the vehicles), an aviation maintenance company and two aviation air evac (medical) helicopter companies. Other than that, there are administrative and training units along with a headquarters (paper pushers and management). None of them get "riot training" in their weekend a month, two-weeks a year. They learn the jobs the unit does and those aren't handling riots, it's doing paperwork, fixing equipment or driving equipment. The medical unit has a portion of civilian medical professionals that perform those services in uniform.

And, no, Trump cannot just send the National Guard to the Capitol.
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With low intensity warfare, just about everyone in the military gets riot training. It is as common as firearms training. Whether there is much riot training or not is another matter, but it is assumed anyone in the military can end up countering a riot.

In fact, truck drivers would probably be the most likely to deal with a riot when deployed abroad.

The National Guard being a law enforcement unit gets more riot training than most. The DC National Guard is deployed the most in potential riot situations, definitely every four years, so would be some of the more trained.

Medics are trained for riots, because they are required to give medical aid to people injured in riots. Riots are more common than firefights, and while they do not give as bad of injuries, they give more injuries.

Civilians wearing uniform? Are you sure they are not civilian medical professionals who are also in the National Guard?
 
Walt said:
With low intensity warfare, just about everyone in the military gets riot training. It is as common as firearms training. Whether there is much riot training or not is another matter, but it is assumed anyone in the military can end up countering a riot.

In fact, truck drivers would probably be the most likely to deal with a riot when deployed abroad.

The National Guard being a law enforcement unit gets more riot training than most. The DC National Guard is deployed the most in potential riot situations, definitely every four years, so would be some of the more trained.

Medics are trained for riots, because they are required to give medical aid to people injured in riots. Riots are more common than firefights, and while they do not give as bad of injuries, they give more injuries.

Civilians wearing uniform? Are you sure they are not civilian medical professionals who are also in the National Guard?
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Were you ever even in the military? You certainly don't sound like you know anything about it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Were you ever even in the military? You certainly don't sound like you know anything about it.
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I was not in the military in any other way than the ultra technical.

Once again, with low intensity warfare, anyone in the military could end up in a riot. While the National Guard always got riot training (or at least since the early 1970's), with the Panama Occupation failures, they started to realize everyone needed riot training. With Iraq, it was without doubt that everyone needed riot training.

It is more necessary than firearms training. And everyone gets firearms training.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Outside of the MP battalion, there's a quartermaster truck company (truck drivers), a maintenance company (fixes the vehicles), an aviation maintenance company and two aviation air evac (medical) helicopter companies. Other than that, there are administrative and training units along with a headquarters (paper pushers and management). None of them get "riot training" in their weekend a month, two-weeks a year. They learn the jobs the unit does and those aren't handling riots, it's doing paperwork, fixing equipment or driving equipment. The medical unit has a portion of civilian medical professionals that perform those services in uniform.

And, no, Trump cannot just send the National Guard to the Capitol.
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And, yes, he's the only one who can; he and or his Secretary of the Army. Why don't you numbskulls ever do thirty seconds of research before you sound off on something you know nothing about?

p.s. Agreed, the Committee should have made more of the claim. An admission by Trumpers that violence at the Capitol was serious enough to warrant the Guard.

A saving grace of Trumpers like EL is their thinking doesn't take them to Square 2.
 
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martin said:
And, yes, he's the only one who can; he and or his Secretary of the Army. Why don't you numbskulls ever do thirty seconds of research before you sound off on something you know nothing about?

p.s. Agreed, the Committee should have made more of the claim. It's an admission by Trumpers that the violence at the Captiol was serious enough to warrant the Guard.
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Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters at Jan. 6 rally

May 12 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump's former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.
Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told a House of Representatives panel that he spoke with Trump on Jan. 3, three days before the now-former president's fiery speech that preceded the violence and led to his second impeachment.

According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory.
Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."
Miller made the remarks during a contentious hearing held by the House Oversight Committee, which is investigating security failures in the days leading to and during the riot.
Representative Carolyn Maloney, the Democrat who chairs the committee, demanded answers from Miller on why National Guard troops did not arrive until hours after the building was overrun.

Miller testified that the U.S. military was deliberately restrained that day when Trump's rally turned into an assault by hundreds of his followers that left five dead, including a Capitol Police officer.

Miller testified that he was concerned in the days before Jan. 6 that sending National Guard troops to Washington would fan fears of a military coup or that Trump advisers were advocating martial law.....
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Trump authorized troops but they have to be requested by Pelosi to be on the Capitol grounds which she is in charge of at that time. To be on DC city property the mayor(Bowser) has to request them. There is a letter from Bowser formally declining to offer National Gaurd use. In the days leading to J6 Trump authorized Secretary of Defense the use of NG because Trump thought ANTIFA would cause a violent disruption. Bowser and Pelosi declined because the "optics" would look bad.
 
ExpressLane said:
Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters at Jan. 6 rally


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Trump authorized troops but they have to be requested by Pelosi to be on the Capitol grounds which she is in charge of at that time. To be on DC city property the mayor(Bowser) has to request them. There is a letter from Bowser formally declining to offer National Gaurd use. In the days leading to J6 Trump authorized Secretary of Defense the use of NG because Trump thought ANTIFA would cause a violent disruption. Bowser and Pelosi declined because the "optics" would look bad.
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Let's straighten this out:

1. The speaker's Capitol responsibilities do not include security for the grounds or building:

"Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio suggested Wednesday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had been responsible for the security presence at the US Capitol on January 6, after Pelosi rejected his appointment to serve on the select committee investigating the insurrection.

'Why wasn’t there a proper security presence at the Capitol that day,' Jordan asked at a news conference after House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy pulled all five members he had tapped for the committee in response to Pelosi rejecting two of them. The Ohio Republican added, “Only one person can answer that question. Only one. The Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.”

Facts First: The Speaker of the House is not in charge of Capitol security. That’s the responsibility of the Capitol Police Board, which oversees the US Capitol Police and approves requests for National Guard assistance."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/poli...an-nancy-pelosi-january-6-security/index.html

That establishes who has authority to even make the request. The request would then made to the official with authority to order the troops, either the President or his Secretary of the Army.

2. I think the most telling part of your link is the report Trump wanted the Guard to protect NOT the Capitol but to protect the demonstrators. This I hadn't heard before. No wonder it wasn't followed up on. But tell us how that possibly is helpful to Trump.
 
Walt said:
With low intensity warfare, just about everyone in the military gets riot training. It is as common as firearms training. Whether there is much riot training or not is another matter, but it is assumed anyone in the military can end up countering a riot.

In fact, truck drivers would probably be the most likely to deal with a riot when deployed abroad.

The National Guard being a law enforcement unit gets more riot training than most. The DC National Guard is deployed the most in potential riot situations, definitely every four years, so would be some of the more trained.

Medics are trained for riots, because they are required to give medical aid to people injured in riots. Riots are more common than firefights, and while they do not give as bad of injuries, they give more injuries.

Civilians wearing uniform? Are you sure they are not civilian medical professionals who are also in the National Guard?
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why are you vomiting up all this dumb bullshit?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
She wanted them after the riot started, not days before. That's the problem.
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That was not her job. She was not in charge of Capitol security. It was the president's job to request troops. The people who assaulted the Capitol are the ones who were properly prosecuted, not the president because he did not request troops. This was a feeble attempt to shift blame from the rioters to Pelosi.
 
Flash said:
That was not her job. She was not in charge of Capitol security. It was the president's job to request troops. The people who assaulted the Capitol are the ones who were properly prosecuted, not the president because he did not request troops. This was a feeble attempt to shift blame from the rioters to Pelosi.
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how about shifting blame from rioters to trump, who offered the national guard?

does that also not make sense too ...not...?
 
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