Don't ask, don't tell

bravo said:
They are denied the freedom to 'flaunt' their sexuality in a public way while in the service of their country....
they are denied the freedom to act in a way "unbecoming a member of US Armed Services"......the same as any soldier, sailor, etc.....
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lol..."unbecoming of a soldier"

I bet in bravos mind he sees some guy in leather assless chaps running around with a machine gun on the battle field
 
bravo said:
You don't seem to understand the issue here, do you..?

No wonder you're a liberal Dem...now pay attention....

Homo's will still be getting discharged for the act of sodomy...according to the UCMJ, its unnatural carnal copulation....Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”

Changing the policy of not asking if they a homo's or them not telling if they are homo's will not change the rules of the UCMJ....
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As if that cannot be addressed in legislation?

Even if they did not address it, it still changes the rules. You will not be thrown out for saying you are a homo, but would be if you engaged in sodomy.

The article defines oral and anal sex as sodomy. It does not differentiate between homo or hetero.

And there are people calling for it's repeal.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=65663
 
Southern Man said:
How ironic.
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Child molestation is not chosen by all parties to the act.

Your response has no relevance to whether gays should be able to serve openly in the military or why your theory, that it is a chosen trait, is of any relevance. You failed to advance your argument or further discussion.
 
RStringfield said:
Child molestation is not chosen by all parties to the act.

Your response has no relevance to whether gays should be able to serve openly in the military or why your theory, that it is a chosen trait, is of any relevance. You failed to advance your argument or further discussion.
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What does this have to do with the Catholic Priesthood?
 
Topspin said:
Your gay, or as on TV you claim to be reformed gay yet your against gays in the military. Sounds like a sofa genaral draft dodger to me.
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It sounds like you don't have the courage to enter into a legitimate debate or to even admit when you've been bested. :)
 
Southern Man said:
It sounds like you don't have the courage to enter into a legitimate debate or to even admit when you've been bested. :)
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sounds to me like your someone constantly telling people your NOT gay, yet you bring up man sex 24/7. you protest too much you closet homo

debate your the least balanced person on the board, i have no interest in besting a moron like you. You need to stick to picking on simpletons, your out of your league with me.
 
Topspin said:
sounds to me like your someone constantly telling people your NOT gay, yet you bring up man sex 24/7. you protest too much you closet homo

debate your the least balanced person on the board, i have no interest in besting a moron like you. You need to stick to picking on simpletons, your out of your league with me.
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Thanks for demonstrating my earlier assertion about you, coward. :lol:
 
Southern Man said:
What does this have to do with the Catholic Priesthood?
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:eek:

Nothing, that was a joke.

You said "homosexuality is chosen."
I said "so, religion is chosen."
You, incorrectly, said "child molestation is chosen."

Religion + Child Molestation = Easy dig at the priesthood

The choice of religion or sexual preference is not the same as "choosing" to force sex on a child.

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. - Thomas Jefferson

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say he likes dicks, chicks, both or neither. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
 
RStringfield said:
:eek:

Nothing, that was a joke.

You said "homosexuality is chosen."
I said "so, religion is chosen."
You, incorrectly, said "child molestation is chosen."

Religion + Child Molestation = Easy dig at the priesthood

The choice of religion or sexual preference is not the same as "choosing" to force sex on a child.

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. - Thomas Jefferson

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say he likes dicks, chicks, both or neither. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
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You said "Try to further the conversation with an actual response." then brought in the subject of Catholic Priests, now religion. Again, how ironic.
 
christiefan915 said:
The "point" is inane and unthinking. Apparently you believe that any openly-gay person in the military is going to be loud, proud and in your face about their sexuality. You've stated that because they're gay they might act in a way "unbecoming a member, etc." Why would that apply to gays only?

If recruits are taught a certain code of behaviour during their training, it doesn't follow that only gays would flout the code.

FYI, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen has spoken out that DADT should be repealed. A big high-five to him for acknowledging that discrimination against gays is 100% wrong.

"No matter how I look at the issue," Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Mike Mullen said, "I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."
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This was, oddly enough, one of the largest reasons I thought (and still think) Clinton was a huge wimp who could not stand up for a single conviction of his own and was the "poll" President. Later evidence was obvious, IMO but this move cemented him as weak in my mind.

IMO he was the CIC, he should have simply given the order and told any General/Admiral that objected to shut up.
 
Southern Man said:
You said "Try to further the conversation with an actual response." then brought in the subject of Catholic Priests, now religion. Again, how ironic.
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Reread the thread. I raised religion before you started evading. I pointed out that it is chosen. You then compared religion/sexuality to child molestation. That comparison is faulty, for reasons I have pointed out, and does not further discussion.


Originally Posted by RStringfield
How does choice change anything?

People choose their religions. Any soldier who complained that he could not serve with another of a different faith would likely be thrown out of the military.


Originally Posted by SouthernMan
People choose to be child molesters too, and they shouldn't be allowed to live, never mind serve in the military.
 
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