Are Republcians against hope and change?

maineman said:
the election right after 9/11 when everyone's fear and paranoia was being stoked by Team Bush?
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I was just playing USC Jr.'s game back at him. Bush and the GOP were riding off of massively high approval ratings that year, making 2002 a bizarre and uncharacteristic mid-term election.
 
Yurt said:
LOL

and no dems were talking about it, nor were they talking about iraq

hacks are funny!
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lots of dems were talking about it... but lots of dems were not banging the war drums. As we have shown before, yurtie... a majority of democrats in congress voted against the use of force resolution whereas the republicans were nearly unanimous in support of it. President Bush himself stated that our ONLY mission in invading Iraq was to disarm Saddam... something MOST democrats thought was ill advised.... and lo and behold, soon after kicking the UN inspectors OUT of Iraq and invading, we discovered that there WERE no WMDs that we needed to disarm Saddam of. ooops.

It DID work well at the time as a Rovian scare tactic to keep voters from voting for democrats. Well done.
 
maineman said:
lots of dems were talking about it... but lots of dems were not banging the war drums. As we have shown before, yurtie... a majority of democrats in congress voted against the use of force resolution whereas the republicans were nearly unanimous in support of it. President Bush himself stated that our ONLY mission in invading Iraq was to disarm Saddam... something MOST democrats thought was ill advised.... and lo and behold, soon after kicking the UN inspectors OUT of Iraq and invading, we discovered that there WERE no WMDs that we needed to disarm Saddam of. ooops.

It DID work well at the time as a Rovian scare tactic to keep voters from voting for democrats. Well done.
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And all this has to do with Obama fucking up how? but you might be right, Thank God this year the only reason voters wont vote for Dems. is because of the idiot in charge, but I am sure as J rod did you also will try to find a excuse

SPIN BABY SPIN


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maineman said:
lots of dems were talking about it... but lots of dems were not banging the war drums. As we have shown before, yurtie... a majority of democrats in congress voted against the use of force resolution whereas the republicans were nearly unanimous in support of it. President Bush himself stated that our ONLY mission in invading Iraq was to disarm Saddam... something MOST democrats thought was ill advised.... and lo and behold, soon after kicking the UN inspectors OUT of Iraq and invading, we discovered that there WERE no WMDs that we needed to disarm Saddam of. ooops.

It DID work well at the time as a Rovian scare tactic to keep voters from voting for democrats. Well done.
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poor mainegayman can't spin that dems and most of the world believe saddam had wmd's and that many believed he should be disarmed...

spin away master spinner :)
 
maineman said:
lots of dems were talking about it... but lots of dems were not banging the war drums. As we have shown before, yurtie... a majority of democrats in congress voted against the use of force resolution whereas the republicans were nearly unanimous in support of it. President Bush himself stated that our ONLY mission in invading Iraq was to disarm Saddam... something MOST democrats thought was ill advised.... and lo and behold, soon after kicking the UN inspectors OUT of Iraq and invading, we discovered that there WERE no WMDs that we needed to disarm Saddam of. ooops.

It DID work well at the time as a Rovian scare tactic to keep voters from voting for democrats. Well done.
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Ancient history...The Iraqi War Authorization could not have passed without Democratic support...

And as we have shown before, a number of Democrats voted FOR the WAR RESOLUTION, otherwise there would have been no war.....so most wasn't enough was it....the most prominent Democrats voted for war....\

And they were banging the war drums loud and clear if you'd open your ears...just because the particular word 'invasion' was not uttered is irrelevant...

All the spin in the world won't change history...
 
bravo said:
Ancient history...The Iraqi War Authorization could not have passed without Democratic support...

And as we have shown before, a number of Democrats voted FOR the WAR RESOLUTION, otherwise there would have been no war.....so most wasn't enough was it....the most prominent Democrats voted for war....\

And they were banging the war drums loud and clear if you'd open your ears...just because the particular word 'invasion' was not uttered is irrelevant...

All the spin in the world won't change history...
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He knows that Bravo, he is just looking to make excuses at this point, hell if ya remember Obama ran on he was one of they FEW that didn't vote for the war, of course he wasn't in office then either

But these next few months will be more than fun watching the Libs put there spin on things, LOL
 
bravo said:
Ancient history...The Iraqi War Authorization could not have passed without Democratic support...

And as we have shown before, a number of Democrats voted FOR the WAR RESOLUTION, otherwise there would have been no war.....so most wasn't enough was it....the most prominent Democrats voted for war....\

And they were banging the war drums loud and clear if you'd open your ears...just because the particular word 'invasion' was not uttered is irrelevant...

All the spin in the world won't change history...
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can you fucking READ? I NEVER said that there was not some degree of democratic support for the resolution. I said, quite accurately, that the republicans overwhelmingly voted FOR the measure and a MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS VOTED AGAINST IT.
 
I always think the rush to give Dems "credit" is hilarious. It speaks volumes about how posters like bravo feel about the decision to invade at this point.

If Iraq had been some monumental success, that didn't cost incomprehensible amounts of blood & treasure, the narrative we'd be hearing would be more in line with Bush the unwavering leader, who pushed into Iraq despite fierce Democratic opposition and practically single-handedly changed history.

Instead, we get "Dems voted for it too!"
 
bravo said:
Ancient history...The Iraqi War Authorization could not have passed without Democratic support...

And as we have shown before, a number of Democrats voted FOR the WAR RESOLUTION, otherwise there would have been no war.....so most wasn't enough was it....the most prominent Democrats voted for war....\

And they were banging the war drums loud and clear if you'd open your ears...just because the particular word 'invasion' was not uttered is irrelevant...

All the spin in the world won't change history...
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The 20-something Democratic senators and 80-something Dem representatives who authorized Bush’s fiasco, have either been voted out or apologized for their vote and/or admitted the Iraq war as a blunder of epic proportions. Two of the three top Dem leaders in DC were against your war from the beginning- Pelosi and Obama. Probably 90% of the rank and file registered democrats in the country were against your war from the get go. I never met a liberal on a message board who was ever in favor of your war.

Given your penchant for sharing credit for your war with a few score of democrats in congress, have you taken their lead and apologized for being an Iraq war cheerleader yourself, or admitted your war was a massive blunder?




You probably haven’t, unless you want to take this opportunity to apologize for your war. History’s harshest judgment, and probably the lowest rungs in hell, are reserved for those war cheerleaders who have never admitted their error or taken responsibility for the oceans of blood on their hands.
 
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Jarod said:
I disagree, many of the people want healthcare in the form proposed by President Obama's friends.

What the American people do not want is more of this win-loose mentality that the parties are promoting. Lets get ALL of the POLITITIANS to work together in a public forum to come up with some good legislation.
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You can disagree if you want, but polling data suggests otherwise. Right now 58% oppose of ObamaCare.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub.../healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

So why would Republicans want to work with Democrats on something like that?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Well, now that was much more mature than calling me sissy boy!

Of course, what you provided was just one man's vague rhetoric regarding what he'd like to see happen and in now way indicative of how a majority of conservatives feel. But it's a start.
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Actually, its the policy position of the leading conservative think-tank. Many more plans are presented on individual elected officials web sites that have all been ignored. Sissy boy. :pke:
 
maineman said:
lots of dems were talking about it... but lots of dems were not banging the war drums. As we have shown before, yurtie... a majority of democrats in congress voted against the use of force resolution whereas the republicans were nearly unanimous in support of it. President Bush himself stated that our ONLY mission in invading Iraq was to disarm Saddam... something MOST democrats thought was ill advised.... and lo and behold, soon after kicking the UN inspectors OUT of Iraq and invading, we discovered that there WERE no WMDs that we needed to disarm Saddam of. ooops.

It DID work well at the time as a Rovian scare tactic to keep voters from voting for democrats. Well done.
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So now people's natural reaction to a homeland attack is Carl Rove's doing. It sounds like your into that conspiracy theory bullshit. Did Rove take down the towers?
 
maineman said:
can you fucking READ? I NEVER said that there was not some degree of democratic support for the resolution. I said, quite accurately, that the republicans overwhelmingly voted FOR the measure and a MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS VOTED AGAINST IT.
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calm down internet tough guy, you might die of a heart attack

what you conveniently leave out is that the majority of the senate dems voted for the resolution....so nice try in trying to mamby pamby by talking only about the house and conveniently leaving out facts which you know full well don't help your point....

yawn
 
Southern Man said:
Hey I'm the internet tough guy; maineman's the whiny wannabe runner-up internet tough guy. :pke:
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yeah, but he has been banned at numerous boards and for months at a time and some perm bans for threatening people and revealing personal information :eek:

but ok, you win if you want
 
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Yurt said:
calm down internet tough guy, you might die of a heart attack

what you conveniently leave out is that the majority of the senate dems voted for the resolution....so nice try in trying to mamby pamby by talking only about the house and conveniently leaving out facts which you know full well don't help your point....

yawn
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I didn't leave ANYTHING out... do you deny that a MAJORITY of democrats combined, in congress - in both chambers - voted against the reolution?

yes or no, asshole?
 
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