Does trump want to repeal Obamacare?

[Dutch Uncle]

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Yes, but he only has a concept of a plan 8 years later.

 

[Tbird19482]

Repealing Obamacare is not a dictatorship. Trump is not God nor a dictator...just a damn fine President.

It was and is DEMOCRATS that burn, loot, and pillage cities!

And the Dems have not attacked the Capital to try and stop a clarification of a legal election like you MAGA did.

 

[Tbird19482]

Obamacare is already failing from it's own weight. It should be completely repealed.

Communism doesn't work.

NO it is starting to fail because it's funding has been cut by the right wingers.
Get you head out of Trump crouch and WAKE THE FUCK UP.

 

[Althea]

I do. I called it Moosecare, a FAIR plan that would/should satisfy everyone. It’s complicated though.
I unveiled it about 10 years ago on a now defunct board.
Most everyone on the left and right considered it brilliant .

As I recall, it relied heavily on govt. funding. I don't remember who found it 'brilliant'?

 

[Althea]

NO it is starting to fail because it's funding has been cut by the right wingers.
Get you head out of Trump crouch and WAKE THE FUCK UP.

Precisely. In fact, the insurers sued Congress and were awarded $12 billion in risk corridor payments.

Medicare operates under the risk corridor safety net. Insurers were guaranteed the same protections in the event that claims exceeded their ability to pay. That was one of the compromises necessary to get insurers to cover pre existing conditions.

Boehner decided that defunding that aspect of the law would essentially kill it. What it did was force 13 separate insurers across the nation to leave the exchanges. Rates went up considerably, and Teabaggers bragged about the failed ACA.

 

[Tbird19482]

Precisely. In fact, the insurers sued Congress and were awarded $12 billion in risk corridor payments.

Medicare operates under the risk corridor safety net. Insurers were guaranteed the same protections in the event that claims exceeded their ability to pay. That was one of the compromises necessary to get insurers to cover pre existing conditions.

Boehner decided that defunding that aspect of the law would essentially kill it. What it did was force 13 separate insurers across the nation to leave the exchanges. Rates went up considerably, and Teabaggers bragged about the failed ACA.

And it shows us that the people on the right don't give a shit about the AMERICAN PEOPLE they just want to give Billionaires more and bigger tax cuts.

 

[Althea]

All Trump cares about is beating up on his political enemies. He wants to do away with Obamacare because Obama's name is on it - period. The health and welfare of the American people? He doesn't give a fuck.

trump's Obama envy is so strong he set the nation back decades when he was POTUS. As you correctly state, anything with Obama's signature on it was trashed. He fired a dozen scientists who were stationed in China in order to work toward preventing another pandemic. Obama learned from the Ebola outbreak, and immediately took action to avoid another similar incident.
Obama created a comprehensive plan aimed at avoiding another similar outbreak. He handed trump a 69 page playbook, which immediately wound up in the garbage.

McConnell, who should die a horrible, painful death for a number of reasons, tried to claim that no such playbook ever existed. Klain quickly kicked his wrinkly ass.

The document, originally unearthed in March by Politico, is a 69-page National Security Council guidebook developed in 2016 with the goal of assisting leaders “in coordinating a complex U.S. Government response to a high-consequence emerging disease threat anywhere in the world.” It outlined questions to ask, who should be asked to get the answers and what key decisions should be made.

 

[anonymoose]

I do. I called it Moosecare, a FAIR plan that would/should satisfy everyone. It’s complicated though.

As I recall, it relied heavily on govt. funding. I don't remember who found it 'brilliant'?

Some of it did.
There were 4 options. Only one government funded

 

[Althea]

Some of it did.
There were 4 options. Only one government funded

Right. But those who didn't qualify for your other options ended up with govt. funded care. And I seem to remember they were legion.

I don't know if you still have your notes?

 

[anonymoose]

Right. But those who didn't qualify for your other options ended up with govt. funded care.

Everyone would qualify for any option they so choose.

The key is that everyone would be required to choose one option. Everyone would have to participate. If an option is not chosen they’d automatically be enrolled in the Medicare for all option and pay increased taxes .

And I seem to remember they were legion.

Not really. And even if they were , no more so than the Medicaid expansion which qualified the extremely irresponsible and who could afford medical insurance.
At least Moosecare is fair.
You may remember I had an employee that I estimated paid $900/mo. for cigarettes that I fired and reported to the DEA and Anchorage PD for forging well over 100 Rx’s and she subsequently qualified for Medicaid.
(Stupid me, that was a really bad hire.)
Part of my plan would be for the government to track money spent on cigarettes and alcohol IF that person qualified for Medicaid.
In other words you take from the government, government will be watching you.

I don't know if you still have your notes?

Sort of. In my head. I actually wrote a personal letter to Lisa Murkowski about my plan at the time. To my surprise I got a nice response saying she thought it was well thought out.
That’s as far as it got.
I’d estimate at least 90% of politicians are too stupid to understand Moosecare, regardless of political affiliation.
I don’t think Lisa is one the 90%.

 

[anonymoose]

Right. But those who didn't qualify for your other options ended up with govt. funded care. And I seem to remember they were legion.

I don't know if you still have your notes?

BTW Althea, we go way back.
If you were on DCJ you may remember that I stated many times back in 2016 that I considered Trump the third worst candidate behind HRC and Cruz.
I hated the Tea Party which is why I put Cruz at two. I’d revise that to him being the third worst now. Trump was a newcomer so I didn’t know any better.

 

[Althea]

BTW Althea, we go way back.
If you were on DCJ you may remember that I stated many times back in 2016 that I considered Trump the third worst candidate behind HRC and Cruz. Cruz became
I hated the Tea Party which is why I put Cruz at two. I’d revise that to him being the third worst now. Trump was a newcomer so I didn’t know any better.

You and I go back to Maher. Wasn't Teflon Don there too?

 

[anonymoose]

You and I go back to Maher. Wasn't Teflon Don there too?

Who was Teflon Don at Maher?

 

[Althea]

Everyone would qualify for any option they so choose.

The key is that everyone would be required to choose one option. Everyone would have to participate. If an option is not chosen they’d automatically be enrolled in the Medicare for all option and pay increased taxes .



Not really. And even if they were , no more so than the Medicaid expansion which qualified the extremely irresponsible and who could afford medical insurance.
At least Moosecare is fair.
You may remember I had an employee that I estimated paid $900/mo. for cigarettes that I fired and reported to the DEA and Anchorage PD for forging well over 100 Rx’s and she subsequently qualified for Medicaid.
(Stupid me, that was a really bad hire.)
Part of my plan would be for the government to track money spent on cigarettes and alcohol IF that person qualified for Medicaid.
In other words you take from the government, government will be watching you.


Sort of. In my head. I actually wrote a personal letter to Lisa Murkowski about my plan at the time. To my surprise I got a nice response saying she thought it was well thought out.
That’s as far as it got.
I’d estimate at least 90% of politicians are too stupid to understand Moosecare, regardless of political affiliation.
I don’t think Lisa is one the 90%.

I seem to remember that even with increased taxes, the Medicare would have been cheaper for everyone. Romneycare was heavily reliant on Medicare if memory serves.

I've been in the individual market for over 40 years. I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to health insurance. There have been many changes over the years, even before ACA.

 

[Althea]

Who was Teflon Don at Maher?

I seem to remember some nut whose sig. had something to do with him being a 'snipe hunter'. Could be someone else. Pretty sure Bigdog was there too with a J.D Salinger avatar.

 

[Green and blue dots]

Now that it polls so well they call it “the affordable care act.”

Polling my ass. The ACA is a federal statute and has over 49 million people on it. Trumps and GOPs idea of replacing the ACA is give em all private insurance and make the corporations rich again. Fuck Trump and fuck Maga.

 

[anonymoose]

I've been in the individual market for over 40 years. I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to health insurance. There have been many changes over the years, even before ACA.

I just don’t see a huge difference in our situation between Obamacare and pre ACA now that things have washed out.
Our deductible initially went way up but with inflation we don’t really feel it that much anymore.

 

[Green and blue dots]

NO it is starting to fail because it's funding has been cut by the right wingers.
Get you head out of Trump crouch and WAKE THE FUCK UP.

Actually, it's not really failing at all. As of this year, the ACA is experiencing heavy growth. So. that's a good thing. Plus, they could never scrap the ACA anyway. They have nothing to replace it with and it would harm to many people and there's this - it's a law.

 

[Althea]

I just don’t see a huge difference in our situation between Obamacare and pre ACA now that things have washed out.
Our deductible initially went way up but with inflation we don’t really feel it that much anymore.

Huge difference for millions of us. As an employer it might have been tougher for you in the beginning, but it's important to remember that Republicans illegally defunded the risk corridor protections. 13 new insurers went under (including mine) and many simply left the exchanges. The Supreme Court awarded insurers $12 billion years later.

But for me, the change was huge. I got much better coverage on the exchange at half the cost. Don't forget that people could not leave a job if they had a pre existing condition. They would not be able to get insurance easily if they did, and all women were born as a pre existing condition.

ACA wasn't perfect, and it was meant as a foundation to be worked on. Instead, Republicans tried to destroy it, so premiums skyrocketed.

What it did do was to give people like myself the same quality health insurance at the price of a large group. People with employer based insurance never really knew the true cost of health insurance. Many employers were jacking up the employee contribution and blaming the insurance companies or ACA.

 

[Althea]

Actually, it's not really failing at all. As of this year, the ACA is experiencing heavy growth. So. that's a good thing. Plus, they could never scrap the ACA anyway. They have nothing to replace it with and it would harm to many people and there's this - it's a law.

The design was a good one. With 60% of the nation refusing to set up an exchange initially, it was a struggle. It could have been much better.

What it did do is to create a much healthier nation. With pages and pages of 'free' preventive screenings, it reduced the number of people with easily preventable cancers.

The only 'failure' was the cost of premiums, but that was due to Republicans.