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All three in the title, predicted that Speaker Mike Johnson would face multiple votes to retain his position as speaker and that that would be an indication of how unfit Republicans are to lead the House. Well, Johnson was voted in on the first ballot...

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thehill.com

The Hill used the word "stunning." They were obviously blindsided in their previous views.

PBS calls it "dramatic."
www.pbs.org

Mike Johnson reelected House speaker in dramatic first-round floor vote

Republican Mike Johnson won reelection to the House speakership on a first ballot Friday, pushing past GOP hard-right holdouts and buoyed with a nod of support from President-elect Donald Trump.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Neither is correct. It was solid politicking this time, that's all.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All three in the title, predicted that Speaker Mike Johnson would face multiple votes to retain his position as speaker and that that would be an indication of how unfit Republicans are to lead the House. Well, Johnson was voted in on the first ballot...

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thehill.com

The Hill used the word "stunning." They were obviously blindsided in their previous views.

PBS calls it "dramatic."
www.pbs.org

Mike Johnson reelected House speaker in dramatic first-round floor vote

Republican Mike Johnson won reelection to the House speakership on a first ballot Friday, pushing past GOP hard-right holdouts and buoyed with a nod of support from President-elect Donald Trump.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Neither is correct. It was solid politicking this time, that's all.
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Some left-wing media outlets even reported Johnson had lost the vote, before it was even over. This is very likely why MagatMus had premature thread elation.
:ROFLMAO:
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All three in the title, predicted that Speaker Mike Johnson would face multiple votes to retain his position as speaker and that that would be an indication of how unfit Republicans are to lead the House. Well, Johnson was voted in on the first ballot...

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thehill.com

The Hill used the word "stunning." They were obviously blindsided in their previous views.

PBS calls it "dramatic."
www.pbs.org

Mike Johnson reelected House speaker in dramatic first-round floor vote

Republican Mike Johnson won reelection to the House speakership on a first ballot Friday, pushing past GOP hard-right holdouts and buoyed with a nod of support from President-elect Donald Trump.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Neither is correct. It was solid politicking this time, that's all.
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Indeed.

Did you notice that when Speaker Johnson said that one of the main goals of the Republicans was to put America and Americans first.?

All of the Republicans stood up, none of the Democrats did.

America has spoken on this issue and the Democrats did not listen.
 
And get ready for a lot of this. There are no mavericks in the GOP anymore - no one w/ any courage.

They know if they resist anything, they're gonna get "primaried." That certainly gets said often enough. They know their place, and their role. It's a party of rubber stamps.
 
BartenderElite said:
And get ready for a lot of this. There are no mavericks in the GOP anymore - no one w/ any courage. They know if they resist anything, they're gonna get "primaried." That certainly gets said often enough. They know their place, and their role. It's a party of rubber stamps.
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I don't want someone representing me that takes positions I don't agree with. That being said, it's an oversimplification to think that any primary challenge results in a loss at the polls.
 
For the benefit of the uninformed in this thread:

I asked Grok a question. To wit, "What percentage of incumbent Congressmen and women who have faced primary challenges have lost their party's primaries?"

Here's the answer.

From the information available, the percentage of incumbent Congressmen and women who have lost their party's primaries after facing primary challenges is relatively low. According to historical data:

  • From 1946 to 2018, only 1.6% of primaries with an incumbent representative running resulted in a win by a primary challenger. This figure includes instances where incumbents were running against other incumbents due to redistricting, which are typically not considered traditional primary challenges. Excluding these reapportioning years, the percentage drops to less than 1% of primaries where an incumbent was running being won by challengers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_challenge
  • For U.S. Senators, from 1946 to 2018, only 4% of primaries with an incumbent running resulted in a win by a primary challenger, again including incumbents running unopposed or against paper candidates.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_challenge
These statistics suggest that while primary challenges do occur, the vast majority of incumbents manage to retain their party's nomination.


@Grok
 
Q: Is the threat to "primary" an incumbent a recent phenomenon?

A: The threat to "primary" an incumbent, or the act of challenging an incumbent in a primary election, is not a recent phenomenon but has historical precedents. However, the nature and frequency of such challenges have evolved over time, particularly with changes in the U.S. political system.

Historically, primary challenges to incumbents have been rare but impactful when they occur. For instance, before the modern primary system was established in the 1970s, party nominations were often determined by party leaders or conventions, which could sometimes bypass or deny incumbents their party's nomination. Examples include Millard Fillmore in 1852 and Andrew Johnson in 1868, who were both denied their party's nomination for another term, though these instances were before the era of widespread primary elections.

In the modern era, since the introduction of the primary system, the threat of being primaried has been more prominent but still relatively infrequent. Notable cases include:

  • 1980: Senator Ted Kennedy challenged President Jimmy Carter in the Democratic primaries, an event that was quite unusual for its time as it showcased a significant internal party challenge to a sitting president. Kennedy won several states but ultimately failed to secure the nomination.
  • 1992: Pat Buchanan challenged President George H.W. Bush, exposing rifts within the Republican Party. Although Buchanan did not win any primaries, his challenge was significant enough to influence the political narrative and dynamics within the party.
  • 1976: Ronald Reagan's challenge to President Gerald Ford in the Republican primaries, which was one of the closest and most contentious primary battles of the modern era, although Ford retained the nomination.

While the act of primarying an incumbent isn't new, its strategic use as a tool within political parties, especially in response to perceived disloyalty or ideological divergence, has perhaps become more pronounced in contemporary politics. However, the actual success rate of these challenges remains low.








@Grok
 
Seems even more pathetic for Republicans that all they need to do is hear about being "primaried" and they step in line.

But, interesting information nonetheless.
 
Q. Do Democrats threaten to "primary" Democrat incumbents?

A. Yes, Democrats do threaten to "primary" Democrat incumbents. This practice involves challenging incumbents in primary elections, often with the support of progressive groups or activists within the party who feel the incumbent is not sufficiently aligned with certain ideological positions or has not performed well in their role.

Several instances can be noted.

  • Progressive Challenges: Groups like Justice Democrats have explicitly aimed to primary incumbents they view as not progressive enough. This was evident in the 2018 and 2020 election cycles, where high-profile Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ayanna Pressley unseated long-serving incumbents in primaries.
  • DCCC Policy: In 2019, the Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) implemented a policy against working with consultants and vendors who help primary challengers to incumbents, indicating a level of internal party tension over such threats. This move was met with criticism from progressive factions within the party, showing the underlying conflict about challenging incumbents.
  • Public Sentiment and Announcements: On social media, there have been discussions and announcements about the intent to primary specific incumbents, notably Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema due to their stances on certain policy issues like the filibuster.
  • Historical Precedence: There's a historical context where Democrats have faced primary challenges, especially when incumbents are perceived as out of touch with the party's base or when there's significant dissatisfaction with their performance or policy alignment.

The threat or action of "primarying" them does occur within the Democrat Party, reflecting internal debates about representation, ideology, and performance.


@Grok
 
BartenderElite said:
Interesting.
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Redound

intransitive verb​

  1. To have an effect or consequence.
    "deeds that redound to one's discredit."
  2. To return; recoil.
  3. To roll back, as a wave or flood; to be sent or driven back; to flow back, as a consequence or effect; to conduce; to contribute; to result
 
Diogenes said:
Redound

intransitive verb​

  1. To have an effect or consequence.
    "deeds that redound to one's discredit."
  2. To return; recoil.
  3. To roll back, as a wave or flood; to be sent or driven back; to flow back, as a consequence or effect; to conduce; to contribute; to result
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I said it was interesting.
 
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