Many said JFK Jr was alive and taking over the govt.. They are a crazy group of people.
Is the bird flu fake?
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Bird flu vaccine receives conditional approval from USDA
Bird flu vaccine receives conditional approval from USDA
Dr. Carlson said with only conditional approval, there are still many steps to accomplish, and that could take a year or two before the vaccine is released in large quantities.
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No doubt from vaccinated birds and that the price will double again. I wonder what Trump's cut will be?
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IIRC correctly, about 2/3s of those arrested at 1/6 had previously reported mental health issues. Another 2/3s had bad financial problems, which figures since most mentally ill people have a hard time managing their finances.
Notice how many MAGAts on JPP are pissed a others about women and how hard the economy is on them.
I think we can agree that when people use the term "normal", it's frequently a code word for "right". I think a better term here is that -most- people think that germ theory was settled a while back. It wasn't, but germ theory has certainly become the mainstream view. Some good articles on the flaws in germ theory, if you're interested:
We can see microbes through microscopes and virologists can ofcourse claim that said microbes are anything their hearts desire. I'm not saying there aren't microbes, just that none have the properties that biological viruses are said to have. Anyway, if you'd like to get into a serious debate as to whether biological viruses exist, the thread for it is here:
Care to elaborate on what you mean by that emoji?
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Normal is often the social norm or the average for humans. Example; 100 is often cited as the normal IQ, but there are variables involved.I think we can agree that when people use the term "normal", it's frequently a code word for "right". I think a better term here is that -most- people think that germ theory was settled a while back. It wasn't, but germ theory has certainly become the mainstream view. Some good articles on the flaws in germ theory, if you're interested:
We can see microbes through microscopes and virologists can ofcourse claim that said microbes are anything their hearts desire. I'm not saying there aren't microbes, just that none have the properties that biological viruses are said to have. Anyway, if you'd like to get into a serious debate as to whether biological viruses exist, the thread for it is here:
As for germ theory, not a medical biologist with a PhD, but it seems like settled science to me:
Germ theory | Definition, Development, & Facts | Britannica
Germ theory, in medicine, the theory that certain diseases are caused by the invasion of the body by microorganisms. The French chemist and microbiologist Louis Pasteur, the English surgeon Joseph Lister, and the German physician Robert Koch are given much of the credit for development and...
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...Although the germ theory has long been considered proved, its full implications for medical practice were not immediately apparent; bloodstained frock coats were considered suitable operating-room attire even in the late 1870s, and surgeons operated without masks or head coverings as late as the 1890s.
In the 21st century, when soap was unavailable for removing common pathogens (disease-causing organisms) or repeated hand washing had compromised the natural skin barrier (e.g., causing scaling or fissures to develop in the skin), hand sanitizers—in foam, gel, or liquid form—were increasingly recommended. Although the effectiveness of hand sanitizer is variable, it is employed as a simple means of infection control in a wide variety of settings, from day-care centres and schools to hospitals and health care clinics and from supermarkets to cruise ships.
According to who? When it comes to the Covid Vaccines, there's evidence that far from saving millions of people, the vaccines actually killed millions of people:
Vaccines Caused 17 Million Deaths During Pandemic Plus 4 More Takeaways From Largest Excess Mortality Study to Date
A years-long investigation by Canadian researchers into excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic found that patterns of excess death globally could not be explained by a pandemic respiratory virus. Here are the data and logic behind some of the key findings.
childrenshealthdefense.org
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It's the woman's facepalm emoji.
Personally, I'd have used these since it's a wackadoodle website:
The Defender (Children’s Health Defense) - Bias and Credibility
CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence.
mediabiasfactcheck.com
Detailed Report
Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCEFactual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
History
The Defender is a news portal located on the Children’s Health Defense website. Founded in 2016 as the World Mercury Project, which was renamed Children’s Health Defense, is an anti-vaccine nonprofit pseudoscience organization. It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an American environmental attorney, author, and opponent of vaccination. Kennedy is the son of Robert F. Kennedy and the nephew of former president John F. Kennedy. He is the president of the board of Waterkeeper Alliance, a non-profit environmental group that he helped found in 1999.
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Agreed, I'm just saying that it's frequently used in debates to denote what the user of the term thinks is right.Normal is often the social norm or the average for humans. Example; 100 is often cited as the normal IQ, but there are variables involved.I think we can agree that when people use the term "normal", it's frequently a code word for "right". I think a better term here is that -most- people think that germ theory was settled a while back. It wasn't, but germ theory has certainly become the mainstream view. Some good articles on the flaws in germ theory, if you're interested:
We can see microbes through microscopes and virologists can ofcourse claim that said microbes are anything their hearts desire. I'm not saying there aren't microbes, just that none have the properties that biological viruses are said to have. Anyway, if you'd like to get into a serious debate as to whether biological viruses exist, the thread for it is here:
As for germ theory, not a medical biologist with a PhD, but it seems like settled science to me:
germ theory, in medicine, the theory that certain diseases are caused by the invasion of the body by microorganisms, organisms too small to be seen except through a microscope....Germ theory | Definition, Development, & Facts | Britannica
Germ theory, in medicine, the theory that certain diseases are caused by the invasion of the body by microorganisms. The French chemist and microbiologist Louis Pasteur, the English surgeon Joseph Lister, and the German physician Robert Koch are given much of the credit for development and...
...Although the germ theory has long been considered proved, its full implications for medical practice were not immediately apparent; bloodstained frock coats were considered suitable operating-room attire even in the late 1870s, and surgeons operated without masks or head coverings as late as the 1890s.
In the 21st century, when soap was unavailable for removing common pathogens (disease-causing organisms) or repeated hand washing had compromised the natural skin barrier (e.g., causing scaling or fissures to develop in the skin), hand sanitizers—in foam, gel, or liquid form—were increasingly recommended. Although the effectiveness of hand sanitizer is variable, it is employed as a simple means of infection control in a wide variety of settings, from day-care centres and schools to hospitals and health care clinics and from supermarkets to cruise ships.
What you quoted focuses on not contaminating operating environments, which I don't have an issue with. If you want to see where I -do- have issues with germ theory, feel free to take a look at the 2 articles I quoted in my previous post on the subject, notably these 2:
Ah, thanks for the explanation
.The Defender (Children’s Health Defense) - Bias and Credibility
CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence.
Detailed Report
Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
History
The Defender is a news portal located on the Children’s Health Defense website. Founded in 2016 as the World Mercury Project, which was renamed Children’s Health Defense, is an anti-vaccine nonprofit pseudoscience organization. It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an American environmental attorney, author, and opponent of vaccination. Kennedy is the son of Robert F. Kennedy and the nephew of former president John F. Kennedy. He is the president of the board of Waterkeeper Alliance, a non-profit environmental group that he helped found in 1999.
You may wish to take a look at the following thread I made over 2 years ago on mediabiasfactcheck:
I would say germ theory is about as accepted as the round earth theory.
Clearly person to person contagion happens, which only makes sense if there are germs.
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I'm a student of behavioral psychology. Conspiracy theorists have fascinated me since the 1990s.You may wish to take a look at the following thread I made over 2 years ago on mediabiasfactcheck:
prices this week are way down from a couple of weeks ago, proof that just not paying ridiculous prices has a lot more to do with it than 'bird flu'. It only takes about 3 months to raise a chick to egg laying status, so at best it's a very temporary shortage.
Just stop taking in foreign crap from shitholes having disease epidemics, is all. Guess common sense must be racist n stuff.
Just stop taking in foreign crap from shitholes having disease epidemics, is all. Guess common sense must be racist n stuff.
lol you're drooling again.
No, flat earthers were a very rare breed before Youtube. Youtube, with its flashy graphics, has given it what I believe is a brief revival, but when you actually look for -articles- from flat earthers, they're few and far between, not to mention of poor quality. According to physicist Sabine Hossenfelder, flat earthers took off with the rise of video media, first with Youtube and then with TikTok. She's done 2 videos on flat earthers, both of which I think were quite good. Here's the more recent one:
In contrast to flat earthers, there are plenty of well researched articles explaining the lack of evidence that biological viruses aren't real. As I've menionted before, I made a thread referencing the group of researchers, many of which are medical experts, who persuaded me back in Covid times that while small microbes certainly exist and can be recorded with electron microscopes, there's no solid evidence that they have the characteristics that biological viruses are said to have. This thread can be seen here:
No, that's not clear at all, and therein is virology's biggest problem. Dr. Thomas Cowan and Sally Morell wrote a good book on the contagion myth. I got a copy a while back. It can be purchased on Amazon here:
Here's their summary of the book:
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For readers of Plague of Corruption, Thomas S. Cowan, MD, and Sally Fallon Morell ask the question: are there really such things as "viruses"? Or are electro smog, toxic living conditions, and 5G actually to blame for COVID-19?
The official explanation for today’s COVID-19 pandemic is a “dangerous, infectious virus.” This is the rationale for isolating a large portion of the world’s population in their homes so as to curb its spread. From face masks to social distancing, from antivirals to vaccines, these measures are predicated on the assumption that tiny viruses can cause serious illness and that such illness is transmissible person-to-person.
It was Louis Pasteur who convinced a skeptical medical community that contagious germs cause disease; his “germ theory” now serves as the official explanation for most illness. However, in his private diaries he states unequivocally that in his entire career he was not once able to transfer disease with a pure culture of bacteria (he obviously wasn’t able to purify viruses at that time). He admitted that the whole effort to prove contagion was a failure, leading to his famous death bed confession that “the germ is nothing, the terrain is everything.”
While the incidence and death statistics for COVID-19 may not be reliable, there is no question that many people have taken sick with a strange new disease—with odd symptoms like gasping for air and “fizzing” feelings—and hundreds of thousands have died. Many suspect that the cause is not viral but a kind of pollution unique to the modern age—electromagnetic pollution. Today we are surrounded by a jangle of overlapping and jarring frequencies—from power lines to the fridge to the cell phone. It started with the telegraph and progressed to worldwide electricity, then radar, then satellites that disrupt the ionosphere, then ubiquitous Wi-Fi. The most recent addition to this disturbing racket is fifth generation wireless—5G. In The Truth About Contagion: Exploring Theories of How Disease Spreads, bestselling authors Thomas S. Cowan, MD, and Sally Fallon Morell explore the true causes of COVID-19.
On September 26, 2019, 5G wireless was turned on in Wuhan, China (and officially launched November 1) with a grid of about ten thousand antennas—more antennas than exist in the whole United States, all concentrated in one city. A spike in cases occurred on February 13, the same week that Wuhan turned on its 5G network for monitoring traffic. Illness has subsequently followed 5G installation in all the major cities in America.
Since the dawn of the human race, medicine men and physicians have wondered about the cause of disease, especially what we call “contagions,” numerous people ill with similar symptoms, all at the same time. Does humankind suffer these outbreaks at the hands of an angry god or evil spirit? A disturbance in the atmosphere, a miasma? Do we catch the illness from others or from some outside influence?
As the restriction of our freedoms continues, more and more people are wondering whether this is true. Could a packet of RNA fragments, which cannot even be defined as a living organism, cause such havoc? Perhaps something else is involved—something that has upset the balance of nature and made us more susceptible to disease? Perhaps there is no “coronavirus” at all; perhaps, as Pasteur said, “the germ is nothing, the terrain is everything.”
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I'm a student of behavioral psychology. Conspiracy theorists have fascinated me since the 1990s.You may wish to take a look at the following thread I made over 2 years ago on mediabiasfactcheck:
Fine, but you may have noticed that the subject of the post you were responding to was about the web site you used to cast aspersions on the Children's Health Defense news site, not your fascination with conspiracy theorists.
That's certainly what the mainstream media would have you believe. The truth is somethihg else. A good article from Mike Stone on measles from a little over a year ago:
Here's the introduction to the article:
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If you have been paying attention to recent headlines here in the US, you will notice that it is time once again for the measles magic show. In other words, it is time for virologists to pull the measles “virus” out of their hats so that it can rear its head in order to frighten the ignorant into allowing toxic injections into themselves and their children. While measles cases are said to occur in the US every year, the alarm bells rung by the CDC and within the mainstream media happens every so often when there needs to be a clamp down on anti-vaccine messaging as well as a push to increase vaccination rates. Remember the scary headlines alerting the people to a measles outbreak in Disneyland in 2014? It was the perfect set-up to strike down nonmedical vaccine exemptions that were increasing in California and elsewhere. The media focused on a “spread” through the unvaccinated population and highlighted vaccine hesitancy as a primary driver of the outbreak. This led to a “positive” outlook and support for vaccination.
Revisiting the 2014-15 Disneyland measles outbreak and its influence on pediatric vaccinations
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34495822/
However, the Disneyland Measles Massacre wasn't even the “main” measles “outbreak” in 2014. That distinction belongs to the Amish in Ohio where an “outbreak” was blamed on an Amish missionary who traveled to the Philippines. In the end, there were 382 Amish said to be “infected” with the measles “virus.” Not a single person died. Regardless, the missionary, who was originally diagnosed with dengue, was given the blame for being unvaccinated and bringing the measles “virus” back to spread amongst the unvaccinated. While this “outbreak” helped to clamp down on anti-vaccination sentiment riled up by Jenny McCarthy that year, it was the perfect vehicle to convince the masses that it is unvaccinated travelers bringing back diseases in from other countries. This is a theme that the CDC has utilized time and time again [snip]
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I think what Mr. Stone says in his conclusion is quite interesting as well:
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The CDC admits that it is difficult to diagnose any vaccinated person with measles due to the unreliability of the tests. Perhaps this is why most vaccinated individuals are presumed “immune” to measles and testing is saved for the unvaccinated? Regardless, the CDC acknowledges that even if a measles case is seen at a physician’s office, it is most likely not a “true” measles case even if it meets the clinical definition. The only reason to suspect measles is if the person is unvaccinated and came into contact with traveler's from abroad. Granted, the CDC does say that cases of “high suspicion” should be investigated. However, this is only if other causes have been ruled out first, such as parvovirus, dengue, Kawasaki disease, scarlet fever, and rubella.
The list of potential diagnoses for the same symptoms of disease is much longer than what the CDC provided. Going back to the MN Department of Health, a more comprehensive list of diseases, both “infectious” and “non-infectious,” presenting with measles-like symptoms is outlined. As these diseases all have similar features to measles, they all must be ruled out before a measles diagnosis can be made and “confirmed:”
“Providers should also consider other infectious and non-infectious etiologies that may cause fever and generalized rash, including:
- Rubella, Scarlet fever, Roseola infantum, Kawasaki disease, Erythema infectiosum (Fifth Disease), Coxsackievirus, Echovirus, Epstein-Barr virus, HIV, Pharyngoconjunctival fever, Influenza
- Dengue, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, Zika virus
- Dermatologic manifestations of Viral hemorrhagic fevers
- Toxic Shock Syndrome, cutaneous syphilis
- Drug reactions (e.g., antibiotics, contact dermatitis)
- The CDC must issue an alert for healthcare workers to start looking for measles cases.
- Testing should be limited to those who meet the case definition and are unvaccinated, have a recent history of travel abroad, and are without an alternate explanation for symptoms.
- Those with a history of previous measles “infection” or vaccination should be presumed to be “immune.”
- Many clinicians do not know what a measles case looks like, so clinical diagnosis is unreliable, and it must be “confirmed” via unreliable tests.
- The long list of similar diseases presenting with the same symptoms must be ruled out via differential diagnosis first before “confirming” a measles case.
- A suspected measles case in someone vaccinated must meet the clinical case definition and be linked to a laboratory case in order to be a “confirmed” case.
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Germ theory is not only viruses. It could be bacteria, or any other contagion. To disprove germ theory, you have to disprove contagion. And that is not just contagion in Covid, but contagion in all diseases.