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Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules
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Probationary employees, however, do not have “due process” rights, meaning an agency can terminate the employee with only a written reason for the termination and the date effective — which could be as soon as “effective today.”
You should work on the "inquiring" part.
A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump’s turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.
U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a “sham” strategy by the government’s central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.
Alsup, a San Francisco-based appointee of President Bill Clinton, ordered the Defense, Treasury, Energy, Interior, Agriculture and Veterans Affairs departments to “immediately” offer all fired probationary employees their jobs back. The Office of Personnel Management, the judge said, had made an “unlawful” decision to terminate them.
And even if it is upheld on appeal, it does not guarantee that all the workers will be able to get their jobs back permanently: Alsup made clear that agencies still have the authority to implement “reductions in force,” as long as they follow the proper procedures for doing so. Federal agencies are currently finalizing “reduction in force” plans.
Alsup issued his ruling in a lawsuit brought by federal employee unions. He lashed out at the Justice Department over its handling of the case, saying he believes that Trump administration lawyers were hiding the facts about who directed the mass firings.
“You will not bring the people in here to be cross-examined. You’re afraid to do so because you know cross examination would reveal the truth,” the judge said to a DOJ attorney during a hearing Thursday. “I tend to doubt that you’re telling me the truth. … I’m tired of seeing you stonewall on trying to get at the truth.”
Alsup also said the administration attempted to circumvent federal laws on reducing the workforce by attributing the firings to “performance” when that was not in fact the case. The judge called the move “a gimmick.”
“It is sad, a sad day when our government would fire some good employee and say it was based on performance when they know good and well that’s a lie,” Alsup said.
More than 5,000 probationary workers for USDA had already won a reprieve last week when the chair of a federal civil service board ordered them reinstated for 45 days. But Alsup is the first federal judge to order the administration to broadly unwind the firing spree that has roiled the federal workforce during Trump’s first two months in office.
Alsup emphasized that he was not ruling that the government is unable to lay off personnel at federal agencies, but that the Trump administration was in such a hurry to do so that it shunted aside federal laws that dictate the procedures for a so-called RIF.
“The words that I give you today should not be taken that some wild-and-crazy judge in San Francisco said that an administration cannot engage in a reduction in force,” Alsup said. “It can be done, if it’s done in accordance with the law.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tens-thousands-fired-federal-workers-163555218.html
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There's lots of Trump voters who were fired from their government jobs who are praying for the courts and the Democrats to help them.
Probationary employees, however, do not have “due process” rights, meaning an agency can terminate the employee with only a written reason for the termination and the date effective — which could be as soon as “effective today.”
What part of that do u not get?
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Sincere righteous indignation is something people who don't understand sincerity or righteousness wouldn't understand.
Sincerity is something that someone filled with bitterness doesn't understand. This is like a sociopath talking about emotions. They know they exist and how to pretend to have it, but never quite get it right. You think you got it right, but underneath you always wonder, ay, Nomad? We've got your number. Angry acid filled remarks that reek of bitterness and hate are not sincere or "righteous".
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
So you trumpers actually think you can play your dishonest bullshit games day in and day out year after year after year for decades on end, and those who oppose you aren't supposed to get sick of it to the point of genuine wrath?
Then when the decent, honest, empathetic people who oppose the right's sleaze express their justifiable anger, you switch gears and start the gaslighting.
No, the only thing I wonder is where and how the upbringing of people like you and your fellow vicious trumper assholes around here, went wrong.
Funny how you've never commented on the bitter, acid filled remarks by so many of the hard core trumpers around here.
Golly gee whiz, maybe your pontification about sincerity is just phony, insincere bullshit.
Your opinion.
I guess according to your logic, trump and your fellow right-wingers are neither sincere nor righteous given the fact that everything they say reeks of bitterness and hate.
Thanks for admitting it.
Fuck you asshole. You supported the assassination of your president so, fuck you!A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump’s turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.
U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a “sham” strategy by the government’s central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.
Alsup, a San Francisco-based appointee of President Bill Clinton, ordered the Defense, Treasury, Energy, Interior, Agriculture and Veterans Affairs departments to “immediately” offer all fired probationary employees their jobs back. The Office of Personnel Management, the judge said, had made an “unlawful” decision to terminate them.
And even if it is upheld on appeal, it does not guarantee that all the workers will be able to get their jobs back permanently: Alsup made clear that agencies still have the authority to implement “reductions in force,” as long as they follow the proper procedures for doing so. Federal agencies are currently finalizing “reduction in force” plans.
Alsup issued his ruling in a lawsuit brought by federal employee unions. He lashed out at the Justice Department over its handling of the case, saying he believes that Trump administration lawyers were hiding the facts about who directed the mass firings.
“You will not bring the people in here to be cross-examined. You’re afraid to do so because you know cross examination would reveal the truth,” the judge said to a DOJ attorney during a hearing Thursday. “I tend to doubt that you’re telling me the truth. … I’m tired of seeing you stonewall on trying to get at the truth.”
Alsup also said the administration attempted to circumvent federal laws on reducing the workforce by attributing the firings to “performance” when that was not in fact the case. The judge called the move “a gimmick.”
“It is sad, a sad day when our government would fire some good employee and say it was based on performance when they know good and well that’s a lie,” Alsup said.
More than 5,000 probationary workers for USDA had already won a reprieve last week when the chair of a federal civil service board ordered them reinstated for 45 days. But Alsup is the first federal judge to order the administration to broadly unwind the firing spree that has roiled the federal workforce during Trump’s first two months in office.
Alsup emphasized that he was not ruling that the government is unable to lay off personnel at federal agencies, but that the Trump administration was in such a hurry to do so that it shunted aside federal laws that dictate the procedures for a so-called RIF.
“The words that I give you today should not be taken that some wild-and-crazy judge in San Francisco said that an administration cannot engage in a reduction in force,” Alsup said. “It can be done, if it’s done in accordance with the law.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tens-thousands-fired-federal-workers-163555218.html
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lol tRump may be sincere, I cannot tell yet. I have far more of your posts to work with though... I try to talk about ideas, you consistently drag the conversation back to tRump... so, we'll go there, you've dragged the conversation to your level but still lose.
This isn't a sign of sincerity and certainly is not a sign of "righteousness" you aren't even consistent. Your new Neocon personality supporting the constant funding of the Never Ending War is obsequious rather than sincere, you will never walk off the line the leftists tell you to walk even when it is opposite of where you want to go. Remember when tRump promised to end the War in Ukraine?... Well, it certainly looks like it is going to happen... Russia agreed to the cease fire and talks are going on right now, but you are now leftist warmongers, neocons extraordinaire... and only because the person creating the environment that may end in peace is what you call the "MAGA Orange Jesus"...
If tRump is successful at balancing a budget and cutting government spending he may even win my support, though I will never vote for him...
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
As the judge pointed out, there is a specific procedure that is in the law that must be followed. The government has provided no evidence that the law was followed and refused to bring the person that had made a declaration to the court so they could be cross examined under oath.
Then there is evidence that OPM lied to the employees that were fired about what recourse they have to dispute their firings.
That's an interesting argument since the court was told by government lawyers that all those probationary employees could appeal their firings to the MSPB which would mean they do have due process rights. This is in direct conflict to what they told the employees when they told them they had no right to appeal. Courts have a tendency to not appreciate lies.
told by government lawyers...LOL
Probationary employees, however, do not have “due process” rights, meaning an agency can terminate the employee with only a written reason for the termination and the date effective — which could be as soon as “effective today.”
In contrast to career federal employees, probationary employees generally do not have the right to appeal a termination to the Merit Systems Protection Board
What are the rules for probationary periods and federal employees?
The rules around federal probationary periods gained attention after an OPM memo asked agencies for lists of all their employees currently on probation.
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AProudLefty
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Do they have the authority?
Who is they?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
You said a Judge. Duh.
What gives this Judge the authority to tell the Dept of Defense to hire people back
Probationary employees, do not have “due process” rights!
CAN BE FIRED AT ANYTIME