The AZ illegals just got screwed

Ice Dancer said:
Most illegals who are detained are detained because they have committed a crime besides the crime of illegal entry! This posters arguments are spurious at best.
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Uh, so?

We are not even talking about illegal entry. When are you going to quit confusing the two? I have corrected you numerous times so ignorance is no longer an excuse.
 
bravo said:
I forgot I can't speak in general terms around you, as you get easily confused and take everything literally.

Let me dumb it down for you: not all illegal aliens from Mexico cross the border to start/continue a life of crime.....the majority illegally enter the country to take good jobs to build a better life for themselves and/or send money home to relatives. Mind you, THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND THEREFORE ARE GUILTY OF THAT CRIME ALONE. But they are not dope dealers or B & E artists, etc.

Hope this clears things up for you.
Note the 2 posts above and TC_LP's "dumbed down" explanation....

How absolutely insane....HE AGREES WITH ME correcting his stupid post claiming not all illegals are criminals....then posts " THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND THEREFORE ARE GUILTY OF THAT CRIME ALONE,..... and then has the audacity to say " Hope this clears things up for you"

How utterly clueless is he ?
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:palm: Pay attention, you amazing imbecile......illegal aliens are guilty of the crime of entering the country illegally, THAT does NOT mean they are automatically gang bangers, or drug dealers or robbing people's houses.

Jeezus, I've got to talk to you like I'm addressing a grade school kid.
 
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RStringfield said:
Only upon the defendants request and only if the court believes you can do so sufficiently. Given the inability to speak the language and the low education level of most illegal immigrants I doubt the court is gonna let many of the few that requests defend themselves.
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And how are they going to stop them and you seem to have forgotten about Court appointed interpreters. You fail

RStringfield said:
And you are not even guaranteed your own legal counsel in a civil case.
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Since when??

RStringfield said:
You don't show up, they are going to issue a deportation order.
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Same as any other case, where you don't show up; so what's your point?

RStringfield said:
??? Again, I did not bring up appeals. I am just trying to answer your irrelevant question, not trying to prove it matters.
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I never said a word about appeals, in the post you're responding to. I mentioned a case being filed.

RStringfield said:
Where?
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Seems to be the jist of what you've been presenting

RStringfield said:
LOL, you are using a straw man of a straw man. I said nothing about going from detention to an immediate trial. However, if you charge them as criminals they will be guaranteed a right to a speedy trial, in addition to other things.
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Now you're using other strawmen, in an attempt to defend your previouis pathetic strawmen; but thanks for agreeing that this will speed up the process.

RStringfield said:
You have not highlighted one error on my part while you dumbfucks are neck deep in them.
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No need to highlight, when your entire premiss is wrong and whether you want to admit it or not; you're the one looking like a dumbfuck. :good4u:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You're an idiot.
Let's put some REALITY to your asinine scenario:
1. Guy walking down the street carelessly tosses his fast food wrappers on the ground.
2. Cop pulls him over and cites litering and proceeds to write up a ticket.
3. Cop then asks the guy for ID:
3A. The guy gives him a legally acceptable non-drivers picture ID.
3A.1 Guy gets a ticket and goes his merry way
3B. The guy is unable to provide a legally acceptable non-drivers picture ID.
3B.1 The officer then is required to detain the person, until he can prove who he is.
3B.1.a Guy is able to prove who he is, through other means, and is cited an released
3B.1.b Guy is unable to prove who he is and in the investigation, it is then discovered that he is here illeagally. Guy is arrested.

Why do you hate Hispanics??
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:palm: Obviously, you either didn't see the example I linked earlier or you are ignoring it. You see, what I originally proposed HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TO SOME DEGREE IN THIS COUNTRY. The Arizona law just gives credence to such actions, and could easily increase their frequency.


Here it is again....which hopefully will keep you from braying like a jackass in the future:
 
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Taichiliberal said:
:palm: Pay attention, you amazing imbecile......illegal aliens are guilty of the crime of entering the country illegally, THAT does NOT mean they are automatically gang bangers, or drug dealers or robbing people's houses.

Jeezus, I've got to talk to you like I'm addressing a grade school kid.
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How ironic, seeing that's as high as your education went. :palm:
 
Taichiliberal said:
:palm: Obviously, you either didn't see the example I linked earlier or you are ignoring it. You see, what I originally proposed HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TO SOME DEGREE IN THIS COUNTRY. The Arizona law just gives credence to such actions, and could easily increase their frequency.


Here it is again....which hopefully will keep you from braying like a jackass in the future:
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Didn't ignore it, just said I wanted to put put some REALITY to your asinine scenario.

Nice to see you've decided to put in a disclaimer of "to some degree"; whcih could be used to say just about any excuse you want.

The jackass has been and remains the example of all Democrates and Liberals, so it would appear that you are the one braying; sissie. :good4u:
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Obviously, you either didn't see the example I linked earlier or you are ignoring it. You see, what I originally proposed HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TO SOME DEGREE IN THIS COUNTRY. The Arizona law just gives credence to such actions, and could easily increase their frequency.
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Here it is again....which hopefully will keep you from braying like a jackass in the future:

USFREEDOM911 said:
Didn't ignore it, just said I wanted to put put some REALITY to your asinine scenario.

Nice to see you've decided to put in a disclaimer of "to some degree"; whcih could be used to say just about any excuse you want.

do you know what a disclaimer is, jackass?

The jackass has been and remains the example of all Democrates and Liberals, so it would appear that you are the one braying; sissie. (you either can't spell, just pissed your pants, or are calling for your little sister.) :good4u:
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Here stupid, waste more time denying and bullshitting around this:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643510&postcount=53
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Pay attention, you amazing imbecile......illegal aliens are guilty of the crime of entering the country illegally, THAT does NOT mean they are automatically gang bangers, or drug dealers or robbing people's houses.

Jeezus, I've got to talk to you like I'm addressing a grade school kid.
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Southern Man said:
How ironic, seeing that's as high as your education went. :palm:
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Jeezus, you're like a little kid....it would just kill you to acknowledge that I'm right about anything. Get a hold of yourself, man!
 
Taichiliberal said:
Here it is again....which hopefully will keep you from braying like a jackass in the future:



Here stupid, waste more time denying and bullshitting around this:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643510&postcount=53
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Yes, I know what a disclaimer is.
I'm spelling it just like I CHOOSE to, in regards to you.
When you want to provided all the circumstances that surround what you've tried to offer, then I'll consider it. Until then I wouldn't trust you to hit the ground; if you were thrown out of an airplane, without a parachute.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Jeezus, you're like a little kid....it would just kill you to acknowledge that I'm right about anything. Get a hold of yourself, man!
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Southern Man said:
You're apparently right about queer marriage, but immigration? Not so much.
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Since you can't logically or factually disprove what I posted on the latter subject, you're just pushing your opinion as fact...which doesn't cut it in the real world.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Here it is again....which hopefully will keep you from braying like a jackass in the future:



Here stupid, waste more time denying and bullshitting around this:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...0&postcount=53
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USFREEDOM911 said:
Yes, I know what a disclaimer is. Really? Because since I haven't posted one, it's just YOU making another baseless claim.I'm spelling it just like I CHOOSE to, in regards to you. If you say so....although a neologism is not much of an improvement for ya, but hey, at least you're trying for a good excuse!
When you want to provided all the circumstances that surround what you've tried to offer, then I'll consider it. Until then I wouldn't trust you to hit the ground; if you were thrown out of an airplane, without a parachute.
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Translation: This little dope and his like minded buddies were in denial of ANY examples of what I stated.....then when I provided documented proof, they say it's not enough.....I have to document EVERY case. :palm:
USFreedumb just keeps proving what a sore loser he is.....he just can't stand being proven wrong by me. Typical of the neocon numbskulls......reality just isn't part of their agenda.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Translation: This little dope and his like minded buddies were in denial of ANY examples of what I stated.....then when I provided documented proof, they say it's not enough.....I have to document EVERY case. :palm:
USFreedumb just keeps proving what a sore loser he is.....he just can't stand being proven wrong by me. Typical of the neocon numbskulls......reality just isn't part of their agenda.
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Poor sissie.
Once again you've gotten yourself all worked up and it looks like you're going to cry, some more.

You're only presenting her side of the story, where's the side that might explain why the officer thought she was an illegal; other then that she had a warrent.

Keep trying sissie and maybe one day you'll get it right.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
And how are they going to stop them and you seem to have forgotten about Court appointed interpreters. You fail
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You are an idiot. Just because they can, possibly, defend themselves does not mean they are going to defend themselves.

USFREEDOM911 said:
Since when??
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If you don't show up for a civil case the court is not going to wait for you. A criminal trial of a defendant in absentia is a violation of western legal customs and virtually unheard of. Again, what rock have you been living under? They will issue a bench warrant and wait until the defendant is present.


Same as any other case, where you don't show up; so what's your point?
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:rolleyes:
 
PostmodernProphet said:
first of all, the vast majority of illegal aliens came in over border, not through a visa.....
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Umm, all immigrants illegal or otherwise come in over a border.

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You mean to say they entered illegally. I would not say the vast majority. The majority, yes. So?

PostmodernProphet said:
secondly, remaining here illegally is still a crime, however it began......
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It is not a crime to be illegally present. It's a civil violation of the law. You can argue that the earth is flat all you want. It is not going to make it true.
 
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