Bai Lan
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it's not over, bitch.
Deal is Done! Trump is getting us something back for financing Ukraine's War
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Tobytone
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Dude, you've totally cracked the universe's code, haven't you? Ever thought about writing a book? Seriously you're way off if you think Trump is no different from Obama or Biden. If you're talking about the debt issue, let's see what happens. The number everyone is flipping out over considers tax cuts as an expense, they always do. History teaches us that tax cuts relatively quickly, rather than taking from annual revenues, increase annual revenue, making the tax cut opposite of an expense. I predict Trump will add the least to the national debt of any recent president, might even start reducing it if economic growth is really strong. Time will tell.
Trump 45 added $8 trillion to the national debt. More than GWB and his 2 Cheney/Halliburton for-profit wars.
Tobytone
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How? I absolutely never want war, but at the same time I'm not so naive that I think it's never necessary. Evil is very real, and it never takes a day off. Unfortunately, we have to defend ourselves against evil as well do our part to stop it from advancing. So, what have I said to earn the 'war pig' title?
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
give it a rest, west pointy head.
Tobytone
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So, you’ve pinned the national debt on the military-industrial complex and Wall Street like a true armchair economist, haven’t you? Ever bothered to flip through a federal budget, or is that too much for your conspiracy-addled brain? Go on, professor, explain how tanks and stockbrokers are the masterminds behind our $34 trillion debt, while Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, etc. eat up over 70% of federal revenue. I’ve got a crisp list of entitlement programs for you to eyeball, so show me where Wall Street’s greasy mitts or the Pentagon’s war toys somehow add to them. Oh, by the way, those programs aren’t in the Constitution, but shocker, the military is, and it's17% of federal revenue. So, you and Goat should quit peddling this tinfoil nonsense, stop playing stooges for the paranoia parade, and maybe unload a landfill’s worth of that delusional drivel.
- Social Security: $1.461 trillion
- Medicare: $874 billion
- Medicaid: $626 billion
- ACA Marketplace Subsidies: $125 billion
- SNAP: $120 billion
- EITC and CTC: $100 billion
- SSI: $70 billion
- Housing Assistance: $50 billion
- Unemployment Insurance: $40 billion
- Child Nutrition Programs: $35 billion
- TANF: $17 billion
- LIHEAP: $5 billion
Back in 2000, entitlement programs gobbled up 43% of federal revenue, a 26% jump from the 17% they claimed in 1925, and now they’re devouring a staggering 72% in 2024. That’s a runaway train of spending, folks, and it’s not slowing down. So, who’s the mastermind behind our $34 trillion national debt?
Spoiler: it’s us, the citizens, for turning our government into an entitlement-obsessed machine. We’ve let Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and their bloated cousins balloon from a modest 17% of revenue in 1925 to nearly three-quarters today, with the last 25 years supercharging that growth. We the people greenlit this mess with our votes, electing politicians who dangled shiny new handouts while we cheered instead of pushing back.
It’s pure nonsense to point fingers at the military, which eats up just 17% of revenue, or Wall Street, which isn’t even a budget line item. The debt’s been piling up year after year because we didn’t slam the brakes on entitlement sprawl. Time to own it, America, instead of chasing scapegoats.
To finish with a touch of your ignorant and unprovoked reply to me: You can suck Goat's dick, you paranoid freak. LOL
Tobytone
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Ever heard of Covid? That was then, this is now. Stop acting like a Libtard drone and operate in reality without playing with numbers, ignoring context, and presenting false conclusion attempting to support a preconceived narrative. I thought you were better than that.
Tobytone
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I'm supposed to give it a rest. I'm not the spastic one, throwing out unsupported or unprovoked fake outrage and insults or maybe cocaine fueled outrage, I'm not sure which. So, right back at you, chill homie.
Google will tell you the CARES act cost $2 trillion but government doesn't include the trillion$ that went to big pharma or the trillion$ that went to bailout Wall Street. It was the biggest upward transfer of wealth (theft) in history. Add in the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 and the Cheney/Halliburton for-profit wars, and every US taxpayer owes $323,000.
The US is bankrupt.
Tobytone
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The U.S. is way under leveraged. We are a long way from bankrupt. That doesn't mean I'm ok with how much money is spent or the size of the government. I support gutting the budget, in fact, if I were king for a day, I'd gut it by 70%, goodbye ever single entitlement from DC.
The CARES Act does cost $2 trillion, but the Wall Street bailouts are not budget line items because they're loans, and most were paid back. The thing is though, those are one offs compared to the entitlement beast, silently in the background eat up 72% of our revenue and it grows each year.
Military budgets, bailout flops, are all small potatoes next to entitlements, the true debt-driver. Zero out defense and wipe every unpaid loan, and the debt still climbs unless growth outpaces entitlements. Pick your poison, slash entitlements to the bone, make the U.S. the world’s top business magnet with smart taxes and regs to draw the sharpest minds and match the rate of growth of the entitlements, or watch the country actually go broke.
QP!
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Covid alone does not speak to why Trump added so much to the debt. He was already on his record price pre covid.
Bai Lan
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Tobytone
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Opps, I hit reply a bit early so here's where I left off:
I haven’t found a single mouth-breathing libtard who can grasp that tax cuts—shocker—pump up revenues as their dead-obvious effects roll in. Open a history book, tax cuts have been doing this forever. Trump’s cuts? Same deal. They juiced the deficit for a year, sure, but then the economy roared like a freight train, spitting out GDP growth that we hadn't seen in years, which increases revenues the more we grow. Then COVID—because of course—smashed everything to bits.
Good thing Trump’s economy had us jacked up enough to dodge a total economic faceplant. Shutting down the country was like setting the economy on fire on an epic scale, torching all the gains faster than a libtard with a checkbook. So Trump did the only sane thing: spent big to keep us from drowning. I’ve spelled this out in crayon for the perpetually confused, but let’s not kid ourselves—you’re still gonna miss the point.
Tobytone
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You can bitch all you want about the waist and fraud and the money spent on black budget programs and even be right about it, but my point is it's not even a drop in the bucket compared to the runaway spending we have done with entitlement programs and their rapid growth that's is clearly going to crush us if major changes don't happen in the near future. As I've said at least the military is justified federal spending. That said, I'm obviously not for fraud and excessive spending, period.
QP!
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Trust me, you hitting reply early the first time was a positive thing for you and you should have stopped there before writing this drivel you cannot substantiate with any economic reports or facts.
Trumps tax cuts and the massive spike in debt had his economy moving in the direction of downturn even before covid.
Bai Lan
Let It Rot
I think black budgets are more and and are corruptions.
entitlements are fucking owed.
trump already said hes not touching those.
so go piss off a rope corporate cockboy.
Many of your MAGA boyfriends on this forum have cheeredfor abandoning Ukraine, and I doubt you ever disagreed with them or corrected them.
The people around Trump and his allies in Congress have spent years hollering about pulling the plug on Ukraine.
