A complete asshole, or the last war of the Russian Empire

[Scott]

The only explanation for Russian aggression is the seizure of Ukraine, which Putin explains by the fact that Russians live there.

Absolute balderdash. As I've mentioned previously, Putin made it crystal clear that a large part of the reason he decided to start his military operation was because of the killings of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers. And it certainly wasn't just Putin. Russian Parliament actually asked Putin to recognize the Donbass Republics 9 days before Russia's military operation began. Former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud explains why:
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In February 2022, events rush. On February 7, during his visit to Moscow, Emmanuel Macron reaffirms to Vladimir Putin his attachment to the Minsk Accords , a commitment he will repeat after his interview with Volodymyr Zelensky the next day. But on February 11, in Berlin, after 9 hours of work, the meeting of the political advisers of the leaders of the ” Normandy format “ ends, without concrete result: the Ukrainians still and always refuse to apply the Accordsof Minsk, apparently under pressure from the United States. Vladimir Putin then notes that Macron has made empty promises to him and that the West is not ready to enforce the Accords, as they have been doing for eight years.

Ukrainian preparations in the contact zone continue. The Russian Parliament is alarmed and on February 15 asks Vladimir Putin to recognize the independence of the Republics, which he refuses.

On February 17, President Joe Biden announces that Russia will attack Ukraine in the coming days. How does he know? Mystery… But since the 16th, the artillery shelling of the populations of Donbass has increased dramatically, as shown by the daily reports of OSCE observers. Naturally, neither the media, nor the European Union, nor NATO, nor any Western government reacts and intervenes. We will say later that this is Russian disinformation. In fact, it seems that the European Union and some countries purposely glossed over the massacre of the people of Donbass, knowing that it would provoke Russian intervention.
**

Source:

Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative

Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.

scheerpost.com

 

[Scott]

After the bloody Euromaidan massacre, it appears that Crimeans did not want to share the same fate. So they held a referendum to rejoin Russia. The vote to rejoin Russia won by a landslide and Russia agreed to annex Crimea back to Russia:

Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since

Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like

www.mintpressnews.com

As you may know, Crimeans never agreed to leave Russia to begin with, back in 1954. If you'd like to read up on the transfer of Crimea from the Russian SSR to the Crimean SSR, here's an article that I think is good:

Why Did Russia Give Away Crimea Sixty Years Ago?

In 1954 the Soviet Union transferred control of Crimea to Soviet Ukraine. Mark Kramer (Harvard) explains the reasons behind this surprising decision, one which has come back to haunt Ukraine today with tragic consequences.

www.wilsoncenter.org

'Firstly, the bloody massacre was carried out by Yanukovych

No, it was not, though I know that's what the western mainstream media would have you believed. The following article sets the record straight on that count:

The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence - Global Research

The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) have not paved their way to the international mainstream media.

www.globalresearch.ca

 

[Scott]

1) Lies

2) Irrelevant

I think it's also worth mentioning that if there were any soldiers, it was probably to protect them from another massacre such as the one that took place during Euromaidan. From Canadian American journalist Eva Bartlett, who is the only western journalist I know who went to Crimea after its annexation to find out what really happened and then wrote an article about it:
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Since there was so much hype in Western media about a Russian takeover of the peninsula, I ask the burning questions: Were Crimeans forced to take part in the referendum? What was the mood like around that time? Tata replied:

I never saw so many people in my life go out to vote, of their own free will. There was a period before the referendum, maybe about two months, during which there were two holidays: International Women’s Day, March 8, and Defender of the Fatherland Day, February 23.

Normally, people would go away on vacation during these holidays. But that year, Crimeans didn’t go anywhere; they wanted to be sure they were here during the referendum. We felt the sense of a miracle about to happen. People were anxiously awaiting the referendum.

There were military tents in the city, but they were not erected by the military, but by local men. They would stand there every day, and people could come and sign a document calling for a referendum.

I went one day and asked if I could add my name but I couldn’t, because I have a Russian passport. Only Crimean citizens could sign it. This was the fair way to do it.

At that time, my husband was in America. One day, he was watching CNN and got scared and called me because he saw reports of soldiers in the streets, an ‘invasion’ by Russia.

The local navy came from Sevastopol to Yalta and anchored their ships off the coast, made a blockade to ensure no larger Ukrainian or other ships could come and attack.

But I never saw tanks, I never saw Russian soldiers. I never saw any of that in the city.”

**

Full article:

Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since

Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like

www.mintpressnews.com

 

[Scott]

Lets not pretend that we are talking about equals when we speak of civil war....one side are the abusers driven by racist hate, the other the victims.

The Russians stood with the victims.

Ethnic Russians we are told are Orcs.

Agreed, though I will say that it was also tragic for many Ukrainians as well. I remember a documentary, perhaps done by the BBC, wherein a beautiful young woman in eastern Ukraine who didn't want to separate from western Ukraine was arguing with the majority of eastern Ukrainians in a crowd that did. She would say "if you like Russia, go live in Russia, wherein the crowd would say that if she liked the west, she could go live in the west. Later, she was filmed crying, disillusioned, perhaps realizing that there was no turning back at that point. All of this never had to happen, and I doubt it would have happened, if the U.S. hadn't helped drive a wedge between western and eastern Ukrainians during Euromaidan.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think it's also worth mentioning that if there were any soldiers, it was probably to protect them from another massacre such as the one that took place during Euromaidan. From Canadian American journalist Eva Bartlett, who is the only western journalist I know who went to Crimea after its annexation to find out what really happened and then wrote an article about it:
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Since there was so much hype in Western media about a Russian takeover of the peninsula, I ask the burning questions: Were Crimeans forced to take part in the referendum? What was the mood like around that time? Tata replied:


**

Full article:

Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since

Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like

www.mintpressnews.com

There was no doubt that the results represented the will of the people, that there were outside election observers there who said that everything was copacetic is only part of why.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Agreed, though I will say that it was also tragic for many Ukrainians as well. I remember a documentary, perhaps done by the BBC, wherein a beautiful young woman in eastern Ukraine who didn't want to separate from western Ukraine was arguing with the majority of eastern Ukrainians in a crowd that did. She would say "if you like Russia, go live in Russia, wherein the crowd would say that if she liked the west, she could go live in the west. Later, she was filmed crying, disillusioned, perhaps realizing that there was no turning back at that point. All of this never had to happen, and I doubt it would have happened, if the U.S. hadn't helped drive a wedge between western and eastern Ukrainians during Euromaidan.

The long running (since at least 2004) Imperial Empire brainwashing programs successfully convinced the non Russian Ukrainians to act against their interests....the Wall Street Mafia/CIA has gotten very good at this.

However to a great degree what the people thought did not matter....Remember that never much more than 20% ever wanted to be NATO, and yet Ukraine was defacto NATO after 2014.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I wish I could remember where I saw it but somebody has done a very detailed analysis of how the Imperial Empire, some call this force the Atlanticists, have convinced the Ukrainians to keep feeding themselves into the meat grinders, to die and destroy Ukraine in the project of trying to slug Russia and Russians.

It is military grade manipulation that far improves on what the NAZI's did.

 

[Alik Bahshi]

1) Lies

2) Irrelevant

1) Lies

2) Irrelevant

This is childish, you are not a child.

 

[Alik Bahshi]

Ukraine had been killing Russian speakers and ethnic Russians for 8 -years- prior to Russia's military operation in Ukraine. I strongly recommend you see a film from a team of German journalists that went to cover this for a few months in eastern Ukraine. It can be seen here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFVNRZv2eM&ab_channel=NuoViso

Yes, Putin's propaganda is known for its lies, a good example of this is the story of the crucified boy. Ukrainian soldiers did not kill, unlike Russian soldiers who came to the territory of Ukraine, violating its sovereignty. By what right did the Russian army invade Ukraine? Ukraine had every right to defend its state from Russian invaders. The famous liar Putin violated the obligation to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine for transferring its nuclear weapons to Russia. Isn't this fact enough to define Putin as a liar? Putin has never told the truth.

 

[Hawkeye10]

This is childish, you are not a child.

My post was concise, the exact number of words your post deserves.

 

[anonymoose]

I'm just going to address the title of your thread/article for now. Simply equating Putin to an insulting epithet isn't productive, just as doing so with Trump or Biden before him isn't productive. Putin has been at the pinacle of Russia's leadership for over 2 decades and frankly, his actions make a lot more sense to me then many of those done by Biden and Trump when it comes to the war in Ukraine.

I think Obama was more a culprit than those two put together,

 

[Scott]

And the main thing here is that Ukraine did not intend to threaten Russia.

Ukraine had been killing Russian speakers and ethnic Russians for 8 -years- prior to Russia's military operation in Ukraine. I strongly recommend you see a film from a team of German journalists that went to cover this for a few months in eastern Ukraine. It can be seen here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFVNRZv2eM&ab_channel=NuoViso

Yes, Putin's propaganda is known for its lies

The documentary I linked to in the post you're responding to is not "Putin's propaganda". As I said in my previous post, it was done by a team of German journalists. Let me know if you ever take a look at it.

 

[Scott]

Ukrainian soldiers did not kill

They killed plenty:
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The overall number of estimated deaths in the war in Donbas from 6 April 2014 to 31 December 2021 was 14,200–14,400. This included about 6,500 pro-Russian separatist fighters, 4,400 Ukrainian fighters, and 3,404 civilians. This number includes non-combat military deaths, as well as deaths from mines and unexploded ordnance. The vast majority of the deaths took place in the first year of the war, when major combat took place before the Minsk agreements.
**

Source:

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Ukrainian army had just started a new offensive against the Donbass Republics when Putin intervened. I already pointed this out to you in post #17, but you never responded to that post, so once more, courtesy of former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud:
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In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.
**

Full article:

Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative

Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.

scheerpost.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think Obama was more a culprit than those two put together,

Obama who went out of his way multiple times to dismiss and insult the Russians.

 

[Scott]

I'm just going to address the title of your thread/article for now. Simply equating Putin to an insulting epithet isn't productive, just as doing so with Trump or Biden before him isn't productive. Putin has been at the pinacle of Russia's leadership for over 2 decades and frankly, his actions make a lot more sense to me then many of those done by Biden and Trump when it comes to the war in Ukraine.

I think Obama was more a culprit than those two put together,

Biden was in charge of the Ukraine Portfolio during Euromaidan in 2014. He was also apparently an active participant in the proceedings, according to a leaked call between then Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. For anyone reading this who is unaware of this call, here's a brief description of it, courtesy of journalist Kit Knightly:
**
FEBRUARY
7/2/2014 – A recorded phone call between Nuland and Pyatt is leaked to the press, famously dubbed the “fuck the EU” call.

In the conversation, dated January 28th, Nuland and Pyatt discuss at length the structure of the Ukrainian cabinet once Yanukovych is gone. This is still 25 days before Yanukovych was removed from power
**

Source:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

For the contents of the call that exposes Biden's role, we turn to an article from the BBC:
**
An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube, external on Thursday. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.
Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:

[snip]

Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?

• Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.

Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.

Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.

• Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.

Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.

Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.

• Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked.

[snip]
**

Full article:

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

Biden was in charge of the Ukraine Portfolio during Euromaidan in 2014. He was also apparently an active participant in the proceedings, according to a leaked call between then Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. For anyone reading this who is unaware of this call, here's a brief description of it, courtesy of journalist Kit Knightly:
**
FEBRUARY
7/2/2014 – A recorded phone call between Nuland and Pyatt is leaked to the press, famously dubbed the “fuck the EU” call.

In the conversation, dated January 28th, Nuland and Pyatt discuss at length the structure of the Ukrainian cabinet once Yanukovych is gone. This is still 25 days before Yanukovych was removed from power
**

Source:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

For the contents of the call that exposes Biden's role, we turn to an article from the BBC:
**
An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube, external on Thursday. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.
Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:

[snip]

Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?

• Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.

Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.

Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.

• Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.

Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.

Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.

• Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked.

[snip]
**

Full article:

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

That the CIA/NEOCONS put Biden as the front man in the project of building the Ukraine battering ram against Russia was foreshadowing for Biden pretending to be President for the same crowd.....except for when he refused orders to leave Biden has spent his life loyal to his employers.

As we see now as they refuse to give up this project even with the constant humiliation of America....even though the American Empire likely fies in Ukraine....proves how important breaking up Russia and hurting Russians is to them.

 

[Scott]

Obama who went out of his way multiple times to dismiss and insult the Russians.

I'm not aware of Obama's insults to the Russians, but I -do- know that he at least had the wisdom to not arm Ukraine. From an article by well known journalist Aaron Mate:
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On a warm October day in 2019, the eminent Russia studies professor Stephen F. Cohen and I sat down in Manhattan for what would be our last in-person interview (Cohen passed away in September 2020 at the age of 81).

The House was gearing up to impeach Donald Trump for freezing weapons shipments to Ukraine while pressuring its government to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter. The Beltway media was consumed with frenzy of a presidency in peril. But Professor Cohen, one of the leading Russia scholars in the United States, was concerned with what the impeachment spectacle in Washington meant for the long-running war between the US-backed Ukrainian government and Russian-backed rebels in the Donbas.

At that point, Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky was just months into an upstart presidency that he had won on a pledge to end the Donbas conflict. Instead of supporting the Ukrainian leader’s peace mandate, Democrats in Congress were impeaching Trump for briefly impeding the flow of weapons that fueled the fight. As his Democratic allies now like to forget, President Obama refused to send these same weapons out of fear of prolonging the war and arming Nazis. By abandoning Obama’s policy, the Democrats, Cohen warned, threaten to sabotage peace and strengthen Ukraine’s far-right.
**

Full article:

Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate

In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.

scheerpost.com

 

[Scott]

That the CIA/NEOCONS put Biden as the front man in the project of building the Ukraine battering ram against Russia was foreshadowing for Biden pretending to be President for the same crowd.....except for when he refused orders to leave Biden has spent his life loyal to his employers.

As we see now as they refuse to give up this project even with the constant humiliation of America....even though the American Empire likely fies in Ukraine....proves how important breaking up Russia and hurting Russians is to them.

I don't know who decided to give Biden the Ukraine Portfolio back in 2014, or who was pulling his strings then or later. I just know that he clearly played a part in the Euromaidan coup against Viktor Yanukovych, who was the elected President of Ukraine at the time.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I'm not aware of Obama's insults to the Russians, but I -do- know that he at least had the wisdom to not arm Ukraine. From an article by well known journalist Aaron Mate:
**
On a warm October day in 2019, the eminent Russia studies professor Stephen F. Cohen and I sat down in Manhattan for what would be our last in-person interview (Cohen passed away in September 2020 at the age of 81).

The House was gearing up to impeach Donald Trump for freezing weapons shipments to Ukraine while pressuring its government to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter. The Beltway media was consumed with frenzy of a presidency in peril. But Professor Cohen, one of the leading Russia scholars in the United States, was concerned with what the impeachment spectacle in Washington meant for the long-running war between the US-backed Ukrainian government and Russian-backed rebels in the Donbas.

At that point, Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky was just months into an upstart presidency that he had won on a pledge to end the Donbas conflict. Instead of supporting the Ukrainian leader’s peace mandate, Democrats in Congress were impeaching Trump for briefly impeding the flow of weapons that fueled the fight. As his Democratic allies now like to forget, President Obama refused to send these same weapons out of fear of prolonging the war and arming Nazis. By abandoning Obama’s policy, the Democrats, Cohen warned, threaten to sabotage peace and strengthen Ukraine’s far-right.
**

Full article:

Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate

In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.

scheerpost.com

"Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country" and flat out lying to the Russians about what we were going to do with Gaddafi "We came, we saw, he died" and never even admitting that we lied are two. Even as Gaddafi begged based upon his long record of service to America to be allowed to leave with his family completely walking away from Libya as we had already told the Russians that we would.....we assured the Russians that we would be fair with Gaddafi..... after Putin took huge interest in the matter, even as we had already decided that he must die....for sport mostly.

The Russians never forgave us for that.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Clinton going on and on about a reset with Russia was complete bullshit.....she and Obama hated the Russians as has long been the norm in Washington.....this was an attempt at manipulation trying to get Putin to be more like Yeltsin, and give up Russia for restarting our raping of Russia.

The Russians have not forgiven us for that either.