Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US

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Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges:​


A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

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Kilmar Abrego Garcia, newly returned to US, appears in court on charges of trafficking migrants

Kilmar Abrego Garcia appeared in a Tennessee courtroom Friday, hours after he was brought back to the U.S. to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants.
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volsrocks said:

Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges:​


A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

abcnews.go.com

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, newly returned to US, appears in court on charges of trafficking migrants

Kilmar Abrego Garcia appeared in a Tennessee courtroom Friday, hours after he was brought back to the U.S. to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants.
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He is never going to walk the streets here again.
 
BartenderElite said:
It was much more about proper process being followed, and rights being honored.
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Rubbish, the Governor and many media outlets called him a "Maryland Man"... That was an attempt at emotionalizing it, can't have people understanding bad people shouldn't be on our streets...

It will be interesting to see how folks react, he got indicted so they're bringing him here for a trial, basically he spent 2 months in jail. I mean, I'm sure there will be a bunch of inane TACO memes, but overall I'm waiting to see how much longer y'all are going to call them man "Maryland Man" in the news cycles.
 
Damocles said:
Rubbish, the Governor and many media outlets called him a "Maryland Man"... That was an attempt at emotionalizing it, can't have people understanding bad people shouldn't be on our streets...

It will be interesting to see how folks react, he got indicted so they're bringing him here for a trial, basically he spent 2 months in jail. I mean, I'm sure there will be a bunch of inane TACO memes, but overall I'm waiting to see how much longer y'all are going to call them man "Maryland Man" in the news cycles.
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Nope. For a lot of people, it was just about due process and basic rights.

Generalizing is often a sign of weakness in debate.
 
volsrocks said:

Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges:​


A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

abcnews.go.com

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, newly returned to US, appears in court on charges of trafficking migrants

Kilmar Abrego Garcia appeared in a Tennessee courtroom Friday, hours after he was brought back to the U.S. to face charges of transporting undocumented migrants.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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It will be interesting to see this indictment when it is unsealed. My guess is it won't come close to charging what Bondi claimed in her news conference. Bondi just seems to not understand the rules for the DOJ when it comes to discussing indictments.
 
BartenderElite said:
Nope. For a lot of people, it was just about due process and basic rights.

Generalizing is arguing from a position of weakness.
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Giving direct examples is not "generalizing". The attempt to emotionalize was constant. Saying "nope" doesn't change the reality. Nobody heard y'all telling them to shut up and focus on his rights over the sensationalizing of the story and the attempt to emote all over it.

I get the issue. And I noted that the SCOTUS ruled that folks being deported to Venezuela had to have a hearing to prove they were in the subset that made them part of the "invading enemy" list, and that it will be happening. And that courts cannot just rule on cases outside their venue, like this one.

None of that changes what I am wondering. I am wondering how much longer the leftist media and the Governor of Maryland will be worried about this "Maryland Man"...
 
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Damocles said:
Giving direct examples is not "generalizing". The attempt to emotionalize was constant. Saying "nope" doesn't change the reality. Nobody heard y'all telling them to shut up and focus on his rights over the sensationalizing of the story and the attempt to emote all over it.

I get the issue. And I noted that the SCOTUS ruled that folks being deported to Venezuela had to have a hearing to prove they were in the subset that made them part of the "invading enemy" list, and that it will be happening. And that courts cannot just rule on cases outside their venue, like this one.

None of that changes what I am wondering. I am wondering how much longer the leftist media and the Governor of Maryland will be worried about this "Maryland Man"...
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"Y'all" is generalizing.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It will be interesting to see this indictment when it is unsealed. My guess is it won't come close to charging what Bondi claimed in her news conference. Bondi just seems to not understand the rules for the DOJ when it comes to discussing indictments.
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I love how you pretend to know things, she was Attorney General of Florida, it's not like she doesn't have experience.
 
Damocles said:
So, when he's convicted and then sent back will they still cry about the "Maryland Man"?
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Since he was originally picked up in Maryland, why was he indicted in Tennessee for conspiracy to transport humans, women and children all over the country that had illegally crossed the southern border?

There is a news story out that the head of the criminal division in Nashville AG's office resigned following the decision to charge Abrego Garcia.

The indictment is now out.
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Read the Kilmar Abrego Garcia Indictment

The 10-page indictment, filed more than two weeks ago, charges the Maryland man mistakenly deported to El Salvador with crimes related to transporting undocumented migrants. The prospect of a U.S. trial could provide an offramp for the Trump administration, which had bitterly opposed court...
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It alleges a conspiracy between Abrego Garcia and at least 6 others and yet Abrego Garcia is the only one indicted when others are the ones alleged to have collected the money and sent it overseas.
The indictment claims he is a member of MS-13 so now they will have to actually present evidence in support of that claim. My guess is this will quickly fall apart when the prosecution is required to provide their evidence to the defense.
 
Damocles said:
I love how you pretend to know things, she was Attorney General of Florida, it's not like she doesn't have experience.
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The DOJ manual is pretty clear about what the DOJ is supposed to say about indictments.

Bondi said the Grand Jury found things to be true. That is not what a grand jury does. They find that there is enough possible evidence to bring an indictment. They don't find anything to be true.

The standard line for the DOJ is normally, we have brought an indictment for the following crimes and the person is assumed innocent under our justice system.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Since he was originally picked up in Maryland, why was he indicted in Tennessee for conspiracy to transport humans, women and children all over the country that had illegally crossed the southern border?

There is a news story out that the head of the criminal division in Nashville AG's office resigned following the decision to charge Abrego Garcia.
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Because that's where he committed that crime.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The indictment is now out.
www.nytimes.com

Read the Kilmar Abrego Garcia Indictment

The 10-page indictment, filed more than two weeks ago, charges the Maryland man mistakenly deported to El Salvador with crimes related to transporting undocumented migrants. The prospect of a U.S. trial could provide an offramp for the Trump administration, which had bitterly opposed court...
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

It alleges a conspiracy between Abrego Garcia and at least 6 others and yet Abrego Garcia is the only one indicted when others are the ones alleged to have collected the money and sent it overseas.
The indictment claims he is a member of MS-13 so now they will have to actually present evidence in support of that claim. My guess is this will quickly fall apart when the prosecution is required to provide their evidence to the defense.
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Abrego Garcia was driving a vehicle registered to a known, convicted, human smuggler when stopped in Tennessee. Conspiracy charges would be normal with Garcia and the vehicle owner along with the occupants in the vehicle being also charged.

Wire transfers overseas with money from criminal activity is a crime too. That one is fairly easy to prove given there will be a paper trail.

My bet is he will be easily confirmed as an MS 13 gang member based on evidence to date.

Given the federal conviction rate on cases is over 95% I'd say it's damn near a slam dunk he'll get double digits in prison. They might give him a plea deal for say 3 to 5 years and if he takes it that's that.

On the whole, Garcia is fucked. Worse, once convicted, the US could wave prison time and ship him straight back to El Salvador, this time making sure all the i's are dotted, and t's are crossed. So much for Judge Whatshisname's case...
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The DOJ manual is pretty clear about what the DOJ is supposed to say about indictments.

Bondi said the Grand Jury found things to be true. That is not what a grand jury does. They find that there is enough possible evidence to bring an indictment. They don't find anything to be true.

The standard line for the DOJ is normally, we have brought an indictment for the following crimes and the person is assumed innocent under our justice system.
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This is just hair splitting. Garcia is almost 100% sure to be convicted and once he is, he's likely to be headed straight back to El Salvador.
 
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