I call bullshit. How in the flying fuck does Iran not have nukes by now?
Israel is Panicking
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Tobytone
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You seriously think Iran was about to play nice? Where’s your proof, any scrap of evidence, that Iran was ready to ditch its nuclear program? Oh, wait, you’ve got zilch. Maybe your Jew-hating bias is screwing with your brain.
This isn’t panic, you dumbass. It’s a calculated, coordinated strike, done to protect the free world. We’ve been loading Israel up with top-notch gear for weeks, clearly giving our blessing for this move.
Anyone who isn’t a Jew-hater and actually loves America should be popping champagne today. We’re all safer now, and we’ll be better off with every target hit. The entire world owes Israel for having the balls to do what needed doing. I know Jew haters will piss and moan like they do, but those who are sane and haven't been raised to be prejudice douchebags will praise this action.
ZenMode
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Other than disassembling the previous nuclear agreement with Iran, Trump is irrelevant in this situation. Israel is taking out Iran's nuclear program. It's a preventative move to ensure Israel's survival.
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ZenMode
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Being a scientists in a known terrorist country, that has publicly expressed its intent to wipe Israel off the Earth using the weapons you are developing. Yes.
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Indeed.
Israel is doing what the free world should have done decades ago.
Lest we forget, Iran is a nation-state sponsor of terrorism.
Sammy Jankis
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so is this wwIII right now?
ZenMode
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There have been a variety of behind-the-scenes actions going on to prevent it.
Here's one:
ZenMode
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With who? Russia can't fight anyone. Neither Syria or Iran can do anything.
I don't foresee China going alone. They have their own financial issues.
Sammy Jankis
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you're fucking dumb.
T. A. Gardner
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Iran, to date, has proven far more bark than bite. If Iran has, say, one or two nuclear weapons using uranium cores that would be the extent of their weapons. Making uranium nuclear bombs is difficult, expensive, and will never result in more than a handful being made. There simply isn't enough fissile material on the planet for more.
This means you have to go to plutonium production but that's obvious and problematic. What Iran is doing is trying to make a uranium bomb on the sly. If they have 2 or 3, detonate one, or declare they have 2 or 3, then the cat is out of the bag. They can declare they're a nuclear power, build plutonium production plants and make more nukes the easy way.
If on the other hand, they have 2 or 3 uranium bombs and that's all, and they launch one of those on Israel, the problem is that there's something approaching 100% chance it gets shot down on the way in. The danger there is the bomb still goes off but in say, Jordan. Or, it goes off in Israel but does little damage as it lands in a mostly unpopulated location.
Now, the Iranians have tipped their hand. The world knows they have a few nukes and so does Israel. Having used one on Israel invites retaliation in kind and the Israelis dump one or more on Iran only theirs land on target. The US and Western allies jump in and Iran gets stomped on hard and fast to the point no more ayatollahs.
ZenMode
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"The US and Western allies jump in and Iran gets stomped on hard and fast to the point no more ayatollahs."
THe threat of retaliation and death is a deterrent for most people. It's often not the case for Islamists. Dying as a martyr ensures an eternity in paradise for you and your family.
That's why we don't really care that Kim Jong Un has nukes. Hr doesn't want to die. He has 100 cars, a herem of women. He loves the NBA, apparently.
The same is not true for Iranian leaders.
T. A. Gardner
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Nowhere close. This is round 27 to 35 or something in an ongoing antisemitic war between Israel and various Arab and Muslim tribal factions. That's the real problem here. Dar al Islam is stuck politically and ethnically in the 13th century. Until that changes, perpetual warfare in the Middle East is going to keep on going.
Sammy Jankis
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T. A. Gardner
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No, they have some. They also have many other factions that are totally opposed to them. The problem is it's all tribal. For example, Hezbollah is aligned with Iran but it also is opposed to many other factions in Lebanon and will fight those factions as readily as they fight Israel. There is no united front, only each tribe aligning with those that they see will give them an advantage over their enemies (note the plural) who are likely not all the same ones as the factions they're aligned with have.
It was true 100 years ago, and it's true today.
Sammy Jankis
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how about China or Russia?No, they have some. They also have many other factions that are totally opposed to them. The problem is it's all tribal. For example, Hezbollah is aligned with Iran but it also is opposed to many other factions in Lebanon and will fight those factions as readily as they fight Israel. There is no united front, only each tribe aligning with those that they see will give them an advantage over their enemies (note the plural) who are likely not all the same ones as the factions they're aligned with have.
It was true 100 years ago, and it's true today.
T. A. Gardner
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They are not tribal. They have national interests that they follow. Israel isn't tribal. It has national interests it follows. I was in the Middle East enough to see the tribalism in Arab nations. Any one you pick will have a handful of very powerful families that run everything. They each have their own agenda that is loosely aligned to that of the ruling family. It's like a group of oligarchs or robber barons run the state.
In places like Palestine, Lebanon, or Syria there's been a breakdown of even that into what amount to local street gangs that control some portion of the country. In Lebanon for example, each faction has roadblocks set to ensure opposing factions stay out of their turf.
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Sammy Jankis
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but are they allies of iran?
T. A. Gardner
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Some are, some are enemies. The whole is highly fractionalized.