More problems in Iraq

Yup. Decided to do some more research and the claims of this article are B.S.

The claim your link made:

"Recall that Abdul Rahman Yasin, one of the al-Qaeda bombers who hit the World Trade Center in 1993, fled to Iraq after that attack and lived there freely, reportedly with a government salary. That’s one clear link to al-Qaeda."

Now here is the TRUTH!

Abdul Rahman Yasin was actually imprisoned in Iraq since 1994.

With Yasin reportedly being held as a prisoner in Hussein's Iraq, Leslie Stahl of CBS interviewed him there for a segment on 60 Minutes on May 23, 2002 (see below). Yasin appeared in prison pajamas and handcuffs. It was claimed that Iraq had held Yasin prisoner on the outskirts of Baghdad since 1994.[2]

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Here is another interesting note:

On several occasions, Iraq offered to turn Yasin over to the US government in exchange for lifting UN economic sanctions[citation needed]. Tariq Aziz, spokesman of Iraq, claimed that in the 1990s all Iraq wanted in return was a signed statement that Iraq had handed over Yasin. But reportedly the statement presented to the U.S. at the time contained lengthy wording essentially exonerating Iraqi involvement in the 1993 WTC attack. Nevertheless, Kenneth Pollack of the State Department stated that there was no CIA information tying Iraq into the 1993 WTC bombing.

Your article is all lies and if I had the time or desire? I could pick it all apart.

Peddle your B.S. elsewhere.
 
Southern Man said:
Awesome. As expected, attack the messenger. The antisemitism is just a plus. :good4u:
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LOL. Thats all you got to say after I picked your article apart and PROVED he was using mis-information? AKA LIES.

Attack the messenger?:palm:

As expected. Only hear what you wanna hear, see what you wanna see and believe only the things that you want to believe.

Carry on living in your little world of denial.:hide:

And it is clear by the last paragraph in the article, that the US administration cared more about getting their hands on Iraqi oil than getting their hands on so called terrorists.

It is no secret that a hand of Jewish elites control the world. Especially the Media. Even though they have a few puppets(non-Jews) at the helm.

Anyways, it is clear debating with you is a waste of time. You supply articles, I pick them apart and show you they are B.S. and what do you say? Attack the messangrer? Yes I pointed out your messenger is full of shit and therefore so is your believe that Saddam Husseing had ties to terrorism or that he was behind 9/11 which I CLEARLY showed that was not the case.

I have been able to prove my assertion. You on the other hand have not proven anything. But yet live in denial.

As far as I am concerned? You lost this debate.:cof1:
 
wiseones2cents said:
I pointed out your messenger is full of shit and therefore so is your believe that Saddam Husseing had ties to terrorism or that he was behind 9/11 which I CLEARLY showed that was not the case.
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Again, Saddam clearly had ties to terrorists. Attacking the messenger does not disprove that fact.
 
Southern Man said:
Again, Saddam clearly had ties to terrorists. Attacking the messenger does not disprove that fact.
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Clearly? After I clearly picked your bogus article apart?LOL Anyone with half a brain knows that Saddam have very little to NO ties to terrorists. Other than some sympathy(and financial aid) for the families of suicide bombers. Some may call them terrorists(the suicide bombers), others may refer to them as rebels fighting for their land that was taken over.
 
T&A said:
Rather than live in such a world, why don't you just kill yourself, then?
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Why don't you kill yourself and take all your buddies with you? It would be a better world for sure.

Why would I kill myself? I rather punish those who are responsible for ruining my world.

Ya, you are one of the puppet ass kissing, boot lickers I was referring to.
 
Don't sweat it wiseone, these noahide brainwash victims are just robots in the regime. Their opinions are largely based on their own idiocy.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Clearly? After I clearly picked your bogus article apart?LOL Anyone with half a brain knows that Saddam have very little to NO ties to terrorists. Other than some sympathy(and financial aid) for the families of suicide bombers. Some may call them terrorists(the suicide bombers), others may refer to them as rebels fighting for their land that was taken over.
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What?

He used to fly in and give Lotto-style huge checks to the families of successful Palestinian Suicide Bombers. It doesn't take long to understand that while he didn't have ties to the 9/11 bombers, he definitely had ties to terrorists. You can call them what you like, however terrorism is a tactic. Even if you think they are "heroes" for using that tactic, it is what it is.
 
evince said:
we told Bush not to swing his baseball bat at the hornets nest
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Al-Qaeda attacking and murdering innocent Shiites while they pray, and as only a tried and true idiot and peckerhead can seriously claim, I'ts Bush's fault...


It is utterly astounding that a person that can seemingly operate a PC, still shows herself to be an imbecile...
 
Well, it appears as though Asshate has found himself a buttbuddy...

Note to all intelligent people on the site: Attacking an article as "wrong," does not equate to picking it apart piece-by-piece. I've seen non-loonies do this to, so let's make this a learning experience for all. Thank you.
 
Damocles said:
What?

He used to fly in and give Lotto-style huge checks to the families of successful Palestinian Suicide Bombers. It doesn't take long to understand that while he didn't have ties to the 9/11 bombers, he definitely had ties to terrorists. You can call them what you like, however terrorism is a tactic. Even if you think they are "heroes" for using that tactic, it is what it is.
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I'm still waiting for you or anyone to prove that Saddam had ties to terrorism(Al-Qaeda).
 
T&A said:
Well, it appears as though Asshate has found himself a buttbuddy...

Note to all intelligent people on the site: Attacking an article as "wrong," does not equate to picking it apart piece-by-piece. I've seen non-loonies do this to, so let's make this a learning experience for all. Thank you.
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Another idiot. Your right asshat, ignorance is bliss. I did MORE than attack the article as "wrong'.Did you not see how I picked apart his article and CLEARLY showed that it was mis-information and the accusations were unwarranted(AKA lies) T&A?

Of course not, you were too busy masturbating to your porn. Idiot.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I'm still waiting for you or anyone to prove that Saddam had ties to terrorism(Al-Qaeda).
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If Al Qaeda was the only terrorist group around you'd have a point, but you really don't. It's silly to say, "Well, yeah, but you can't prove that the Corvette is a car because it isn't a Ford Focus."
 
wiseones2cents said:
I'm still waiting for you or anyone to prove that Saddam had ties to terrorism(Al-Qaeda).
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An al Qaeda document newly released by the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) of the United States Military Academy provides an extraordinary new connection to a previously reported order by Saddam Hussein to support al Qaeda attacks upon US forces in Somalia. It corresponds with other documents that show Saddam Hussein was using Islamic terrorists as proxies to attack US interests. The document was part of a US Army report on al Qaeda in Africa. That study contends that although al Qaeda managed to train other Islamic fighters in Africa, it did the organization no long term good, as it failed to bend the region to al Qaeda doctrine.

The al Qaeda document is entitled The Ogaden File: Operation Holding (Al-Msk). Its' name refers to a tribal region of Ethiopia extending into Somalia (Ogaden) and ‘al-Msk' is an acronym for the Mission to hold Somalia and Kenya. The file is a personal log about a group of al Qaeda terrorists sent to Somalia in 1993 to provide military training to local Islamic militants. Islamic fighters trained by al Qaeda would later kill 18 Army Special Forces soldiers in what has become know as the Battle of Mogadishu which was portrayed in the popular movie Black Hawk Down. The US government confirmed the involvement of al Qaeda and Usama bin Laden in a 1998 indictment against him for the Somali attacks.

The al Qaeda document itself provides a fascinating look at training operations of an expeditionary nature in hostile territory. It lists several terrorists who subsequently became high ranking al Qaeda leaders (most were later killed or captured by US forces). Many of them were Egyptians with the Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) terror group led by al Qaeda number two man Ayman al Zawahiri. The log was written by an al Qaeda terrorist named Saif al-Islam al Masri who was known to be a leader of al Qaeda in Somalia and an EIJ leader. He is now in US custody.


Saif writes that on the 20th of January, 1993 he and his men were ordered to drop everything (marriage plans, travel) and report to a man named Abu Hafs in Peshawar, Pakistan. This deployment to Somalia heralded a major escalation of al Qaeda activities in Africa. Abu Hafs is also known as Mohammed Atef. Mohammed Atef was the number two man in the EIJ under Ayman al Zawahiri and also part of Usama bin Laden's inner circle. He was included in the 1998 indictment for attacking US forces in Somalia and was considered the number three man in al Qaeda. He was killed by US forces shortly after 9/11.


Saif describes how he and his men were ordered by Atef to go Somalia and set up training camps. The fighters they trained would ultimately grab power in Somalia, only to be driven out by Ethiopian and American Special Forces action last year.


The date of Atef's order for them to go to Somalia is very significant because it corresponds with an order by Saddam Hussein to do just that. A different set of documents, provided by the Cyber News Service (CNS) in 2004 and reported on here, are purported to be from a cache of documents captured in Iraq. CNS stated they were given to them by a member of the Iraqi Survey Group. Those documents - which have not yet been verified by the US government but do match secret information from other known Saddam documents and have been confirmed by several experts - are memorandums between Saddam and his intelligence service.


Saddam Hussein ordered his intelligence service to "hunt the Americans" in Somalia via Afghan mujahideen proxies including the EIJ on January 18th, 1993 just two days before EIJ leader Atef ordered his best men to Somalia. The CNS memoranda also show that Saddam's intelligence service was meeting with the leader of the EIJ (almost certainly Ayman al Zawahiri) to give him the assignment.


Saddam wanted his intelligence service to work with mujahideen (Islamic fighters) displaced from Afghanistan in 1992, which likely also included Usama bin Laden's followers, the EIJ (the two groups would officially merge together to become al Qaeda) and another associated terror leader, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The order provided funding to the mujahideen and drew precedent from operations with the EIJ against the Egyptian government because it sided with the UN coalition against Iraq in the Gulf War.


This new al Qaeda document, when combined with the CNS documents, provides a sequential timeframe for the events and the human linkages to carry out the order from Saddam to his intelligence service to Ayman al Zawahiri to Mohammed Atef and then to his terror trainers.


The revelation about Mohammed Atef comes just days after former CIA Director George Tenet caused a political and media stir with the release of his new book At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA. Tenet devotes a portion of the book to discussing al Qaeda-Saddam ties. In it he writes about the case of Ibn Sheikh al Libi, "a senior military trainer for al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan." Al Libi told his interrogators that


"a militant known as Abu Abudullah had told him that...al-Qa'ida leader Mohammed Atef had sent Abu Abdullah to Iraq to seek training in poisons and mustard gas."


Al Libi would later recant his testimony and become a flash point in the debate over pre-war intelligence. Tenet notes the controversy and says it is unclear if al Libi was lying with the initial report or his recantation. Tenet writes,


"Another senior al-Qa'ida detainee told us that Mohammed Atef was interested in expanding al-Qa'ida's ties to Iraq, which, in our eyes, added credibility to [al-Libi's initial] reporting."


This new evidence may provide more insight into why Saddam was making his military officers watch Black Hawk Down just prior to the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He may have been shoring up their courage by reminding them of what he considered his previous defeat of the American army.


Ray Robison is a former army officer, a former member of the ISG, and co-author of the new ebook Both In One Trench: Saddam's support to the Global Islamic Jihad Movement and International Terrorism
 
Ice Dancer said:
An al Qaeda document newly released by the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) of the United States Military Academy provides an extraordinary new connection to a previously reported order by Saddam Hussein to support al Qaeda attacks upon US forces in Somalia. It corresponds with other documents that show Saddam Hussein was using Islamic terrorists as proxies to attack US interests. The document was part of a US Army report on al Qaeda in Africa. That study contends that although al Qaeda managed to train other Islamic fighters in Africa, it did the organization no long term good, as it failed to bend the region to al Qaeda doctrine.

The al Qaeda document is entitled The Ogaden File: Operation Holding (Al-Msk). Its' name refers to a tribal region of Ethiopia extending into Somalia (Ogaden) and ‘al-Msk' is an acronym for the Mission to hold Somalia and Kenya. The file is a personal log about a group of al Qaeda terrorists sent to Somalia in 1993 to provide military training to local Islamic militants. Islamic fighters trained by al Qaeda would later kill 18 Army Special Forces soldiers in what has become know as the Battle of Mogadishu which was portrayed in the popular movie Black Hawk Down. The US government confirmed the involvement of al Qaeda and Usama bin Laden in a 1998 indictment against him for the Somali attacks.

The al Qaeda document itself provides a fascinating look at training operations of an expeditionary nature in hostile territory. It lists several terrorists who subsequently became high ranking al Qaeda leaders (most were later killed or captured by US forces). Many of them were Egyptians with the Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) terror group led by al Qaeda number two man Ayman al Zawahiri. The log was written by an al Qaeda terrorist named Saif al-Islam al Masri who was known to be a leader of al Qaeda in Somalia and an EIJ leader. He is now in US custody.


Saif writes that on the 20th of January, 1993 he and his men were ordered to drop everything (marriage plans, travel) and report to a man named Abu Hafs in Peshawar, Pakistan. This deployment to Somalia heralded a major escalation of al Qaeda activities in Africa. Abu Hafs is also known as Mohammed Atef. Mohammed Atef was the number two man in the EIJ under Ayman al Zawahiri and also part of Usama bin Laden's inner circle. He was included in the 1998 indictment for attacking US forces in Somalia and was considered the number three man in al Qaeda. He was killed by US forces shortly after 9/11.


Saif describes how he and his men were ordered by Atef to go Somalia and set up training camps. The fighters they trained would ultimately grab power in Somalia, only to be driven out by Ethiopian and American Special Forces action last year.


The date of Atef's order for them to go to Somalia is very significant because it corresponds with an order by Saddam Hussein to do just that. A different set of documents, provided by the Cyber News Service (CNS) in 2004 and reported on here, are purported to be from a cache of documents captured in Iraq. CNS stated they were given to them by a member of the Iraqi Survey Group. Those documents - which have not yet been verified by the US government but do match secret information from other known Saddam documents and have been confirmed by several experts - are memorandums between Saddam and his intelligence service.


Saddam Hussein ordered his intelligence service to "hunt the Americans" in Somalia via Afghan mujahideen proxies including the EIJ on January 18th, 1993 just two days before EIJ leader Atef ordered his best men to Somalia. The CNS memoranda also show that Saddam's intelligence service was meeting with the leader of the EIJ (almost certainly Ayman al Zawahiri) to give him the assignment.


Saddam wanted his intelligence service to work with mujahideen (Islamic fighters) displaced from Afghanistan in 1992, which likely also included Usama bin Laden's followers, the EIJ (the two groups would officially merge together to become al Qaeda) and another associated terror leader, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The order provided funding to the mujahideen and drew precedent from operations with the EIJ against the Egyptian government because it sided with the UN coalition against Iraq in the Gulf War.


This new al Qaeda document, when combined with the CNS documents, provides a sequential timeframe for the events and the human linkages to carry out the order from Saddam to his intelligence service to Ayman al Zawahiri to Mohammed Atef and then to his terror trainers.


The revelation about Mohammed Atef comes just days after former CIA Director George Tenet caused a political and media stir with the release of his new book At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA. Tenet devotes a portion of the book to discussing al Qaeda-Saddam ties. In it he writes about the case of Ibn Sheikh al Libi, "a senior military trainer for al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan." Al Libi told his interrogators that


"a militant known as Abu Abudullah had told him that...al-Qa'ida leader Mohammed Atef had sent Abu Abdullah to Iraq to seek training in poisons and mustard gas."


Al Libi would later recant his testimony and become a flash point in the debate over pre-war intelligence. Tenet notes the controversy and says it is unclear if al Libi was lying with the initial report or his recantation. Tenet writes,


"Another senior al-Qa'ida detainee told us that Mohammed Atef was interested in expanding al-Qa'ida's ties to Iraq, which, in our eyes, added credibility to [al-Libi's initial] reporting."


This new evidence may provide more insight into why Saddam was making his military officers watch Black Hawk Down just prior to the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He may have been shoring up their courage by reminding them of what he considered his previous defeat of the American army.


Ray Robison is a former army officer, a former member of the ISG, and co-author of the new ebook Both In One Trench: Saddam's support to the Global Islamic Jihad Movement and International Terrorism
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Ya, just like Africa shipped yellow cake uranium to Iraq and was later found to be FALSE? All B.S.

Even if this is the case? Why did America attack Iraq in the first place if this is all "new" evidence?

And second? Al-Qaeda was manufactured by the CIA(after 9/11). It doesn't really exist.

So Saddam having ties to Al-Qaeda before 9/11 is laughable.

What the world has is global elites with a network of law enforcement and organized criminals, they both control.

It seems that one of these networks is either rebelling or it is all staged. And other networks in the Islamic world are following suit.

These networks are now merging and starting to form a true Al-Qaeda that didn't exist prior to 9/11. Sure Osama SEEMS to have had a network that is anti-American, though let it be noted that Saddam and Osama disliked each other, so the chances of these two being in cahoots is highly unlikely. And no links were ever found.

And this is CIA intelligence which I would imagine is much higher than this mickey mouse CTC organization.

P.S. If I had a dollar for everytime America claimed new intelligence and then it was debunked? I'd be a millionaire. This is just the latest toilet paper.
 
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