Wonder why the left doesn't think there is a trans problem?

BartenderElite said:
You said "No discernable group in society comes close to their suicide rate and it's so high it cannot be attributed to persecution or social actions against them."

What logic do you have for that conclusion? It's likely so high because they are bullied and ostracized at rates that the vast majority of people are not. But there could be many factors - you're not making a sound, scientific conclusion.
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He's just being a contrarian.
 
BartenderElite said:
You said "No discernable group in society comes close to their suicide rate and it's so high it cannot be attributed to persecution or social actions against them."

What logic do you have for that conclusion? It's likely so high because they are bullied and ostracized at rates that the vast majority of people are not. But there could be many factors - you're not making a sound, scientific conclusion.
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By all the studies I cited. There are plenty more where those came from. In one case the researchers looked at suicide rates among American slaves and couldn't find anything close to the rates trans people have. People in concentration camps don't off themselves at those rates. Prisons don't have that sort of rate.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
By all the studies I cited. There are plenty more where those came from. In one case the researchers looked at suicide rates among American slaves and couldn't find anything close to the rates trans people have. People in concentration camps don't off themselves at those rates. Prisons don't have that sort of rate.
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But that STILL does not support your conclusion. There are a myriad of factors in all of those situations. You have not made any case here whatsoever.
 

State-level anti-transgender laws increase past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people in the USA​


From 2018 to 2022, 48 anti-transgender laws (that is, laws that restrict the rights of transgender and non-binary people) were enacted in the USA across 19 different state governments. In this study, we estimated the causal impact of state-level anti-transgender laws on suicide risk among transgender and non-binary (TGNB) young people aged 13–17 (n = 35,196) and aged 13–24 (n = 61,240) using a difference-in-differences research design.

www.nature.com

State-level anti-transgender laws increase past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people in the USA - Nature Human Behaviour

From 2018 to 2022, 48 anti-transgender laws were enacted in the USA across 19 states. This study shows that these anti-transgender laws increased past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people by as much as 72%.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
 
Hume said:

State-level anti-transgender laws increase past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people in the USA​


From 2018 to 2022, 48 anti-transgender laws (that is, laws that restrict the rights of transgender and non-binary people) were enacted in the USA across 19 different state governments. In this study, we estimated the causal impact of state-level anti-transgender laws on suicide risk among transgender and non-binary (TGNB) young people aged 13–17 (n = 35,196) and aged 13–24 (n = 61,240) using a difference-in-differences research design.

www.nature.com

State-level anti-transgender laws increase past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people in the USA - Nature Human Behaviour

From 2018 to 2022, 48 anti-transgender laws were enacted in the USA across 19 states. This study shows that these anti-transgender laws increased past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people by as much as 72%.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
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I can't read the entire study. It's not openly available. But it appears this study is one where correlation doesn't equal causation.

Okay, I found the study in whole

It looks at the change in suicide rates among trans persons without a control group. So, it is comparing a group to itself, a no-no in statistics.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Read the goddamned studies! I bothered to. Persecution and social shunning don't cut it.
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Why don't they "cut it?"

The examples you brought up are not apples to apples. Prisoners can have large, supportive social groups among their peers. In their peer groups, they do not experience anything like the isolation many transgenders experience.

But it goes much deeper than that. There are many factors in all of these situations, which neither you nor I fully know or understand. You're basically just riffing.
 
BartenderElite said:
Why don't they "cut it?"

The examples you brought up are not apples to apples. Prisoners can have large, supportive social groups among their peers. In their peer groups, they do not experience anything like the isolation many transgenders experience.

But it goes much deeper than that. There are many factors in all of these situations, which neither you nor I fully know or understand. You're basically just riffing.
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Like I said, he's just being a contrarian.

He cannot show that society has nothing to do with trans suicide.

His proof? There's more suicides than other groups.
 
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