Ignorance and the Bible

[Hume]

Finding THE TRUTH is not had on this issue. Say to yourself, "I do not know if any gods exist or not...and if any do exist, I do not know its nature."

THAT IS THE TRUTH.

blind guess blind guess

 

[Margot]

Exactly. And as I said...I do not expect who thinks that the Holy Spirit is necessary to comprehend theology...and who think that the Holy Spirit chooses individuals for special attention...to comprehend theology either. We both have expectations in this area.

But if you need to think the Holy Spirit is necessary to comprehend theology...and that the HS chose you for special attention...fine. Go with it.

Go in peace with it.

But there are probably few, if any, theologians or philosophers who would suggest you continue to engage in on-line discussions of this issue. Just about 100% of them would advise you that it is a bad idea for you to do so.

Go in peace with what you have.

So now you're spokesman for theologians?

 

[Margot]

Finding THE TRUTH is not had on this issue. Say to yourself, "I do not know if any gods exist or not...and if any do exist, I do not know its nature."

THAT IS THE TRUTH.

"Many are called few are Chosen"!

 

[Hume]

So now you're spokesman for theologians?

Remember that Ross Dolan thinks ALL theology is just a "blind guess."

 

[Margot]

Remember that Ross Dolan thinks ALL theology is just a "blind guess."

Because he is Spiritually blind. I totally understand.
Why in the world would I think I am Chosen?
Because when Chosen, I was a blank sheet,I knew nothing about Religion, Theology, YHWH,Jesus.
And when Chosen, my response was get someone else anyone else!
It made no sense to me, why choose someone with less then no interest in religion, theology.
But that's where my Faith comes from! I know I didn't want anything to do with this.

 

[Ross Dolan]

So now you're spokesman for theologians?

No.

 

[Ross Dolan]

"Many are called few are Chosen"!

Okay...keep at it.

You may lose...and your pet project may.

Keep it up long enough...both will be losers.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I wish I knew this Perry guy. They certainly upset you and your sock Doc.

^^^
Perry Pud-Puller is triggered!!!

 

[Cypress]

The way I remember it is because life takes a low entropy energy source (sunlight), and metabolizes and radiates it into a higher entropy energy form. Therefore it accords with the second law of thermodynamics.

^^ I verified that my memory of what I read in Sean Carroll's book years ago was pretty much exactly right:

“The Sun is the source of energy for living beings on Earth…that the energy is in low-entropy form. For every 1 photon of visible light we get from the Sun, we give back 20 photons to the universe, each with about 1/20 of the energy. We radiate infrared light to the universe, which means that we increase entropy by a factor of 20. Energy comes in, we increase its entropy by a factor of 20, and then we give it back to the universe in the form of infrared radiation.”​

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-Sean Carroll, theoretical physicist, ‘Mysteries of Modern Physics: Time’ (2012)​

 

[Cypress]

He lied just like he's lying about not seeing the evidence about entropy and life, not being obsessed with you and his claim of having me on ignore.

He's probably just avoiding you, and pretending he doesn't know you posted references corroborating what I said about entropy , lol

 

[Dutch Uncle]

He's probably just avoiding you, and pretending he doesn't know you posted references corroborating what I said about entropy , lol

Avoiding and lying about it. It fits with his behavior.

 

[Into the Night]

One universe! Part physical universe, part Spiritual universe

1 != 2.

 

[Into the Night]

No he's in search of ego stroking. His posts are almost always just a chance for him to "show off" whatever it is he googled most recently. He likes the big sounding stuff, but he doesn't understand it.

Take is claim about "low entropy energy" from the metabolizing to blah blah blah. He could support that claim with some numbers but you and I both know he won't.

He can't. He doesn't understand this stuff except in broad "pseudoscientific" strokes. He's on here to stroke his own ego.

It's fun to try to debate him until he realizes he's lost at which point he just starts attacking.



That's funny.

Summed up beautifully!

 

[Into the Night]

^^^
Go collect some rocks, Perry. You're outclassed by everyone on this thread, retard.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Mantra 1a.

 

[Into the Night]

He obviously is freely choosing ignorance over knowledge, because he just doesn't want to accept what I said was true even though you provided references corroborating my statement.

What a troll!

He didn't;

You just want to use your buzzwords to discard the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

 

[Into the Night]

If Perry really had a geochem PhD, you'd think he wouldn't have a bruised ego and try to compete against people who only have Bachelors and Masters degrees.

Irrelevance fallacy. Science is not a degree or title.

 

[Into the Night]

He's probably just avoiding you, and pretending he doesn't know you posted references corroborating what I said about entropy , lol

He didn't. You are simply discarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics again.

 

[Into the Night]

blind guess blind guess

What was the 'guess', Hugo?

 

[Into the Night]

He's probably just avoiding you, and pretending he doesn't know you posted references corroborating what I said about entropy , lol

He didn't. You just want to discard the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

 

[gmark77]

^^ I verified that my memory of what I read in Sean Carroll's book years ago was pretty much exactly right:

“The Sun is the source of energy for living beings on Earth…that the energy is in low-entropy form. For every 1 photon of visible light we get from the Sun, we give back 20 photons to the universe, each with about 1/20 of the energy. We radiate infrared light to the universe, which means that we increase entropy by a factor of 20. Energy comes in, we increase its entropy by a factor of 20, and then we give it back to the universe in the form of infrared radiation.”​

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-Sean Carroll, theoretical physicist, ‘Mysteries of Modern Physics: Time’ (2012)​

No one is confused about the downshift in UV to IR photons. But if that were the precipitating factor for life you'd think life would be far more easily found across our planetary system and the universe.

Just handwaving about entropy = nothing in the prevalence of life.

And besides: given the fact that we have this giant sun pumping energy into our system, why does life need entropy to decrease in order to form?

Seems that the impact of entropy is less important than the addition of energy.