AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
There are already laws against murder.
Abortion
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Into the Night
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Then why do you keep bringing it up???
A human being is not a cow or a chicken.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
You get to define murder and killing?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
No shit, Sherlock?
Into the Night
Verified User
Strawman fallacy. Redefinition fallacy.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Define "living human".
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Nope. If one legitimizes the idea that killing a living human is OK if that living human is in an acceptable life stage for being killed, then it becomes a simple matter of establishing which life stages are appropriate for killing, i.e. today we say that a fetus is an appropriate life stage to kill, but tomorrow we adjust the bard to "adolescence." Then we throw in "Elderhood" for obvious reasons, and we include provisions for killing those in "late adulthood" if there are symptoms of serious illnesses and we really need their internal organs for needier recipients.
That has already been answered. No sperm has a heartbeat, which is a condition for being a living human. You are once again being dishonest. Come to think of it, you have been nothing but totally dishonest this entire discussion, all to maintain your killing supremacy position.
Again, no heartbeat, and you know this. Also, in the cases of both sperm and eggs, neither has DNA that is distinct from the father/mother.
You are in checkmate. Your supremacy is not recognized.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
This is a stupid request. You are well aware that I have defined "living human" here on JPP dozens of times across dozens of threads.
A being with a heartbeat and human DNA.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
So over 5-6 weeks.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
FTFY. Yes, you are very close. It could be earlier, e.g. 19 days.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
A better way to phrase that is that there is definitely a LIVING HUMAN who is growing and developing (whether that human be in the fetus stage, the newborn stage, the adolescent stage, or the adult stage of human growth/development). You and I both agree on this.
The part that we disagree on is that you wholly condone the killing of living humans who have not committed any crime nor expressed any desire to die. I, on the other hand, adamantly oppose that.
@IBDaMann has informed me that you condone these contract killings NOT due to any particular amount of bloodlust that you may possess (whether that be one human life or countless hundreds of millions of human lives) but rather because you are "hot for teacher" on maintaining killing supremacy in perpetuity. Is he correct about that?
There's some steps between sperm and fetus, but anyway...
Ergo, I've been very clear and unambiguous about what child means. I'm not referring to any particular stage of human growth/development. Rather, I'm referring to the completely brand new set of DNA that has been formed and has been growing/developing into a new and separate living human. I'm referring to genealogy. It doesn't get any clearer than that.A child, while -frequently- considered to be older than a baby and younger than an adult, can be actually be any stage of development and thus an absolutely ideal term for muddying the waters. The first 6 definitions of child from the American Heritage Dictionary, 5th edition, make this abundantly clear:
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- noun A person between birth and puberty.
- noun A person who has not attained maturity or the age of legal majority.
- noun An unborn infant; a fetus.
- noun An infant; a baby.
- noun One who is childish or immature.
- noun A son or daughter; an offspring.
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gfm7175
Mega MAGA
The first definition is correct. The second definition is grossly incorrect.That depends on which definition of father one is using. The first 2 definitions from The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition make that abundantly clear:
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- noun A male whose sperm unites with an egg, producing an embryo.
- noun A male whose impregnation of a female results in the birth of a child.
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So, you would be right if we were using the first definition, but not right if were to to use the second. Personally, I think there's an easy way to differentiate- father of a fetus and father of a child who has been birthed. Interestingly, The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition, does not directly call a female whose sperm has united with one of her eggs a mother, despite having a total of 10 definitions for the word. I find this interesting. I do acknowledge that one of those 10 definitions could be said to indirectly imply that a sperm that's united with a female's egg is a mother, through that super ambiguous term "child", ambiguous because a child can be in any stage of human development.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
There is NOTHING vague about that term. It's been VERY clearly and unambiguously defined.
Living --- has a heartbeat (as an undeniably clear indicator of life... no fauna with a heartbeat has ever been considered "dead")
Human --- homo sapien species
^^^ continued usage of dehumanizing language to obfuscate the fact that living humans who have not committed any crime nor expressed any desire to die are being CONTRACT KILLED by hired hitmen (to the tune of many tens of millions each and every year).
Ergo, the species IS human. We agree on this.
Right. A living human IS a living human, no matter which stage of growth/development a living human happens to be in, whether fetus or elder. Age is irrelevant. A contract killing is a contract killing, no matter if the human being contract killed is 7 years old or 77 years old.
Nope. Both words are CLEARLY and UNAMBIGUOUSLY defined. It is YOU who wishes to muddy the waters (and dehumanize the human being contract killed) by using words such as 'fetus', 'unplanned pregnancy', 'terminate a pregnancy', et al.
Yes, I damn well DO want to curtail contract killings. Not you, though...
I don't give a rat's ass what precise stage of development humans are being contract killed via hired hitmen (but a lot of them ARE happening during the fetal stage of human life). I just want the contracted killings of living humans to STOP.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Could be. You'll need evidence. All you have is heartbeat and brain activity.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Well, at least we're in agreement on that point.
I did. I think it's truly horrendous that many tens of millions of living humans EACH YEAR are having hit jobs placed on them before they're even born.
I also suspect that "further suffering down the road" is part of what life is. Suffering is a part of life for everyone; it's unavoidable.
Yes, it's sad that roughly 5 million children between newborn and five die in a year (idk offhand if 2023 is a good representation of a "typical year" or not, but let's say that it is). It's also sad that almost 100 million children die each year between conception and birth (a much shorter timeframe), with 75%+ of those deaths occurring via contracted killings.
That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
GOAL: End most/all "abortions" (hitjobs targeting unborn living humans)
ACTION: Try saving the lives of already born living humans.
@IBDaMann Is this a particular ACTION that you, as a rational adult, would take (given the GOAL)?
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
I don't, not even tacitly.
Why would I have any qualms about either of those? Neither of those are examples of a living human.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Adorable how @gfm7175 and @IBDaMann are talking to each other, tag teaming and pattng each other's shoulders.
I did. I think it's truly horrendous that many tens of millions of living humans EACH YEAR are having hit jobs placed on them before they're even born.
I also suspect that "further suffering down the road" is part of what life is. Suffering is a part of life for everyone; it's unavoidable.
Yes, it's sad that roughly 5 million children between newborn and five die in a year (idk offhand if 2023 is a good representation of a "typical year" or not, but let's say that it is). It's also sad that almost 100 million children die each year between conception and birth (a much shorter timeframe), with 75%+ of those deaths occurring via contracted killings.
That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
GOAL: End most/all "abortions" (hitjobs targeting unborn living humans)
ACTION: Try saving the lives of already born living humans.
@IBDaMann Is this a particular ACTION that you, as a rational adult, would take (given the GOAL)?
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Are you feeling lonely?
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
Nope. I have no need to pat each other's shoulders for support.
Are you lonely?
@gfm7175 @IBDaMann @Into the Night