Why Are Trump Supporters Anti-Science.

[T. A. Gardner]

You don't know what you're talking about. One of the things I was trained in in the military was Nuclear Biological and Chemical (NBC) control. Radiation tends to make the things around them radioactive. When I was in the military I heard a story about a bit of a nuclear accident they had in the reaction chamber of one of our subs. To get rid of the radiation, they had to go into the reaction chamber and take a surface grinder to all the surfaces. Also, radiation can seep into ground water or anything else.

Then your instructors were idiots or you're a liar. The only way something can become radioactive that isn't already is to let it be exposed to a neutron flux. That's it. Alpha, beta, and gamma radiation won't make an object radioactive that isn't, only neutrons.

I don't know who told you that story either, but it's complete bullshit. I went through the US Navy nuclear power program (class 8003 NEC 3384). That would never have been allowed to be done and there's no reason to do it.

So, you don't know shit about things radioactive.

Here's a sidebar: Long lived radioactive isotopes are either alpha or beta emitters. They are only a danger if you breathe or eat them. Clothing stops both and even your skin is protection against alpha (a ionized helium atom). Gamma is whole body, but with long-lived radio isotopes it generally is less of a problem than a sunny day.

As for solar panels, they aren't that expensive. And it can take anywhere from 1 to 4 years for them to produce the power that it took to create them to begin with. That is everything from mining the materials they are made of to the finished product. And as of right now, their useful life expectancy is 30 to 40 years. (The technology is improving all the time) At 30 years, that means that you would be getting 26 years of absolutely free energy. FREE! No cost. No pollution. No plowing off the tops of mountains to get at coal seems. No long term radiation from nuclear power plants, etc.

Nothing you said in that drivel makes a nickel's worth of difference. If the panels were FREE solar would still be too expensive. We don't need coal. Nuclear and natural gas work fine and minimize pollution.

That sunlight is "free" makes no difference either. The question is: Where does the power come from when the sun isn't shining? You didn't answer that, and that is the crux of the problem.

 

[domer76]

Don't forget. CO2 isn't even the biggest problem. Methane is. It is around 100 times more potent of a greenhouse gas than CO2. And the warmer things get, the more of it that will be released. By the way, have you ever seen that show by Bill Nye called, "Global Meltdown?"

Methane is more powerful as a greenhouse gas, but has a shorter half life in the atmosphere. It is a contributor, though.

 

[domer76]

Ah! The trivial objections fallacy coupled to argumentum ad absurdum. "It wasn't peer reviewed!" I don't give a shit whether it was or not. Facts don't change one iota because of peer review or lack thereof.


So? That's nothing. CO2 represents .04% of the atmosphere. If it rose from .038% that's still nothing.

It is significant. Contrails raise global temperatures somewhere between .1 and .5 degrees and regional temperatures where they exist in mass as much as 3 degrees. That is significant.

You’re a Trumptard. Of course, you prefer petroleum backed “sources” over real science. Anti-vaxxers love their pseudoscience, too.

LOL The significance of 400+ ppm is lost on you. What a fucking surprise.

Where did you pull that contrail info from? Your ass again?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You’re a Trumptard. Of course, you prefer petroleum backed “sources” over real science. Anti-vaxxers love their pseudoscience, too.

LOL The significance of 400+ ppm is lost on you. What a fucking surprise.

Where did you pull that contrail info from? Your ass again?

I want what works and will produce results at a reasonable or low price. Solar and wind will not do that.

On the other hand, all you have for rebuttal are insults, ad hominem, and bullshit. Not a single bit of actual factual evidence.

 

[domer76]

I want what works and will produce results at a reasonable or low price. Solar and wind will not do that.

On the other hand, all you have for rebuttal are insults, ad hominem, and bullshit. Not a single bit of actual factual evidence.

Why don’t you post the tobacco industry’s old “research” on how their products are not harmful? You just did the same using petroleum sources.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why don’t you post the tobacco industry’s old “research” on how their products are not harmful? You just did the same using petroleum sources.

Red herring on your part using kettle logic. All I implied was that some pollution is acceptable particularly when it substantially reduces it over current pollution levels.

 

[RB 60]

Red herring on your part using kettle logic. All I implied was that some pollution is acceptable particularly when it substantially reduces it over current pollution levels.

Potato head always runs off topic when he gets his ass handed to him. Nothing new to see here...

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Potato head always runs off topic when he gets his ass handed to him. Nothing new to see here...

He can't have his ass handed to him when he has both hands on it continuously trying to pull his head out...

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Potato head always runs off topic when he gets his ass handed to him. Nothing new to see here...

You are truly scientifically challenged, A real retard .

 

[RB 60]

You are truly scientifically challenged, A real retard .

You are truly mentally challenged. And a bigoted racist.

 

[Highlight]

Then your instructors were idiots or you're a liar. The only way something can become radioactive that isn't already is to let it be exposed to a neutron flux. That's it. Alpha, beta, and gamma radiation won't make an object radioactive that isn't, only neutrons.

I don't know who told you that story either, but it's complete bullshit. I went through the US Navy nuclear power program (class 8003 NEC 3384). That would never have been allowed to be done and there's no reason to do it.

So, you don't know shit about things radioactive.

Here's a sidebar: Long lived radioactive isotopes are either alpha or beta emitters. They are only a danger if you breathe or eat them. Clothing stops both and even your skin is protection against alpha (a ionized helium atom). Gamma is whole body, but with long-lived radio isotopes it generally is less of a problem than a sunny day.

Nothing you said in that drivel makes a nickel's worth of difference. If the panels were FREE solar would still be too expensive. We don't need coal. Nuclear and natural gas work fine and minimize pollution.

That sunlight is "free" makes no difference either. The question is: Where does the power come from when the sun isn't shining? You didn't answer that, and that is the crux of the problem.

I know hoe different kinds of radiation works. As for solar panels, you are like a lot of people I've run across on the matter. You don't know shit. The sun is always shining somewhere. That is where the power grid comes into play. You simply transmit the power from places where the sun is shining to areas where it isn't. And please don't bring up the bullshit about nighttime. There is only one state where solar power wouldn't work. Alaska. Where the winters are long and dark.

 

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Methane is more powerful as a greenhouse gas, but has a shorter half life in the atmosphere. It is a contributor, though.

That's true. Methane only remains methane in the atmosphere for about 10 years. But a LOT of warming can occur during that time. And all the while, even more methane is being released. In ever increasing amounts! Creating a feedback loop that will likely mean that by around 2050, most of the life on Earth will be extinct. Including humans.

 

[martin]

Trump is anti-science. So if you support Trump, you are anti-science too. Take a look at the brain damaged idiot he appointed to be the head of the Department of Health and Human Services. RFK Jr. He has fired all types of scientists and doctors. Who in the hell is he to do that. Also he told a congressional committee that he was the last person anybody should be taking medical advice from. And yet he thinks he is more intelligent than all the doctors and scientists he's fired? Which more than likely he only did because komrad Trump told him to. Here is a video showing what RFK Jr said.

Trump is secondarily anti-science. His first and constant measure is whatever benefits him personally, both now and in his foreseeable future. A lot of people are like him. The Right, where it is respectable to scorn science, is their political home.

 

[IBDaMann]

Trump is anti-science.

You are anti-science. Tell me about your Climate Change faith.

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So if you support Trump, you are anti-science too.

I support Trump and I have all the science. You oppose Trump and you are scientifically illiterate. I think we're done here.

He has fired all types of [incompetent DEI hires].

FTFY. ... and your point would be ...?

Who in the hell is he to do that.

Someone making America great again.

Also he told a congressional committee that he was the last person anybody should be taking medical advice from.

He doesn't give medical advice.

And yet he thinks he is more intelligent than all the [incompetent DEI hires] he's fired?

It certainly looks that way.

 

[Highlight]

Trump is secondarily anti-science. His first and constant measure is whatever benefits him personally, both now and in his foreseeable future. A lot of people are like him. The Right, where it is respectable to scorn science, is their political home.

He is greedy. But I think he is mostly just stupid. Though I don't think anybody can be that stupid. I think the reason for him doing what he is doing is to destroy America. Just as his boss Putin wants to see happen.

 

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You are anti-science. Tell me about your Climate Change faith.

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I support Trump and I have all the science. You oppose Trump and you are scientifically illiterate. I think we're done here.


FTFY. ... and your point would be ...?


Someone making America great again.


He doesn't give medical advice.


It certainly looks that way.

Oh, that old ploy. Say a bunch of shit too stupid to reply to then claim victory. Just go away.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I know hoe different kinds of radiation works. As for solar panels, you are like a lot of people I've run across on the matter. You don't know shit. The sun is always shining somewhere. That is where the power grid comes into play. You simply transmit the power from places where the sun is shining to areas where it isn't. And please don't bring up the bullshit about nighttime. There is only one state where solar power wouldn't work. Alaska. Where the winters are long and dark.

No, you don't or you wouldn't have opened earlier with the bullshit on nuclear power you did.

I know lots about solar power, far more than you do. Shifting power around, particularly over hundreds of miles, is not simple. It can't be done at the snap of the fingers. As Germany has proven, a "smart grid" doesn't work and is unaffordable.

I've worked distribution systems, you never have, or you wouldn't be saying the utterly stupid stuff you are saying.

You need a stable grid with base loading power that is on continuously, not intermittently or subject to vagaries in the weather. Solar cannot do that.

Solar everywhere it has been heavily installed, has driven the cost of electricity up dramatically. Typically, people in places where it is heavily used see their electric bills triple or quadruple. That's a fact and it is easily provable.

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Simpletons, like you, just listen to the envirotards and other Leftists who blithely stammer on about solar and wind when they don't have a fucking clue about how large power distribution systems work. Solar is a disastrous, costly, fail.

 

[IBDaMann]

Oh, that old ploy. Say a bunch of shit too stupid to reply to then claim victory. Just go away.

As always, nothing intelligent to contribute. That old ploy. Let me know when something changes and you want to be value-added.

Hey, as cowardly as you are, shouldn't you have me on "ignore" already? Obviously you don't like being bitch-slapped every time you waste bandwidth. Do you need @Damocles to explain to you how to use the "ignore" function? All you hive-minded leftists flee from me, so there won't be much shame at all when you do, since everyone already knows you are an undereducated leftist who couldn't formulate a rational argument if you were given a step-by-step guide.

Again, there's very, very little shame in doing so; I recommend you just go ahead and take the necessary steps to protect yourself.

 

[IBDaMann]

You don't know what you're talking about. One of the things I was trained in in the military was Nuclear Biological and Chemical (NBC) control.

Too funny! That's a three-hour course. You learn how to properly don and doff your chem gear. Yes, you also learn to read the little paper strips. Remind me, what kind of expert are you supposed to be?

Radiation tends to make the things around them radioactive.

... or do you mean to say that RADIOACTIVITY tends to make things radioactive? Radiation cooks your food, it doesn't make your food radioactive. Radiation allows you to listen to the radio, it doesn't make your radio radioactive. Radiation allows your remote to change the channel, it doesn't make your TV radioactive.

Judging by your scientific illiteracy, I'm guessing that you believe in Global Warming? Am I right?

When I was in the military I heard a story about a bit of a nuclear accident they had in the reaction chamber of one of our subs. To get rid of the radiation, they had to go into the reaction chamber and take a surface grinder to all the surfaces. Also, radiation can seep into ground water or anything else.

Radiation or RADIOACTIVITY? Now you know why the military isn't a physics class.

As for solar panels, they aren't that expensive.

I've argued with @T. A. Gardner before on solar panels, but you aren't going to fare well if you are simply trying to deny his area of expertise. Basically, my money is on @T. A. Gardner handing you your hiney.

And it can take anywhere from 1 to 4 years for them to produce the power that it took to create them to begin with.

Nope. The cost to produce them is factored into the PURCHASE PRICE. ROI = $$ generated - ( purchase price + installation + financing + maintenance + cleaning).

And as of right now, their useful life expectancy is 30 to 40 years. (The technology is improving all the time) At 30 years, that means that you would be getting 26 years of absolutely free energy. FREE! No cost. No pollution. No plowing off the tops of mountains to get at coal seems. No long term radiation from nuclear power plants, etc.

I'll gladly let @T. A. Gardner handle this one.

 

[IBDaMann]

Don't forget. CO2 isn't even the biggest problem.

How is CO2 a problem?

Yes, CO2 is a life-essential compound; that makes it good, not a problem.
Yes, global plantlife would benefit greatly from increased levels of atmospheric CO2; that means more would be better.

Did you say it is somehow a problem?

Methane is.

Sure, it smells bad, but does that constitute a problem?

It is around 100 times more potent of a greenhouse gas than CO2.

I guess you never got the memo. That theory of greenhouse effect was thoroughly debunked; hence there is no such thing as greenhouse gas.

Feel free to read my signature and let me know if you have any questions. Your religion is dead. After the final nail was hammered into the coffin, a few more nails were hammered in for good measure. I'm sorry that you were never told.

And the warmer things get,

Earth's average global equilibrium temperature doesn't seem to be increasing, at least not to any discernible extent.

By the way, have you ever seen that show by Bill Nye called, "Global Meltdown?"

Too funny. Nye brings on Schwarzeneggar and they pretend to be psychiatrists. There's no science in the show, just emotional bullying by scientifically illiterate morons, of a gullible, scientifically illiterate audience of morons.

Ergo, I can see why you liked that show, i.e. Bill Nye bent you over furniture and reamed your stupid religion into you.