Hamas totally out-negotiated Trump

FastLane said:
Now the loons are praying for more war to break out between Hamas and Israel.
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This war is just an abstraction for you. A vehicle to heap praise on your dear Messiah.

I'm probably the only person here with skin in the game; I have relatives who live in Israel. I have said for two years that Hamas should be eradicated and cannot be allowed to exist in Gaza.

Alongside joy for terror victims and their families, deal evokes fear and betrayal over release of hundreds of Palestinian terrorists​

Some try to find empathy for hostages to be released while others point to Shalit agreement as evidence releasing attackers makes terrorism more rampant

On Tal Hartuv’s chest is a jagged scar, one of 18 stab wounds on her body from a brutal attack outside Jerusalem in 2010 that killed her friend. Next to the seven-centimeter (3-inch) mark rests a dog tag inscribed with the words “Our heart is captive in Gaza,” a popular symbol of support for a ceasefire deal exchanging Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners.

On Friday, as many were celebrating a deal between Israel and Hamas after two years of war, Hartuv read through the list of Palestinian prisoners set to be released and saw the name Iyad Hassan Hussein Fatafta. He was one of three men who tried to kill her and who were convicted of killing her friend Kristine Luken, an American who was visiting Israel as a tourist.

Survivors like Hartuv and families of those killed in attacks have faced a wrenching dilemma throughout the war: Should the killers of their loved ones go free, risking future attacks, or should hostages held in the Gaza Strip be left to their fate?

“I can feel thrilled and hopeful and joyful that our hostages are coming home,” said Hartuv, who changed her name as part of her rehabilitation. “But I can still feel angry, I can feel betrayed, I can feel hollow. They’re not mutually exclusive,” she said.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...r-families-deal-evokes-fear-and-betrayal/amp/
 
Cypress said:
This war is just an abstraction for you. A vehicle to heap praise on your dear Messiah.

I'm probably the only person here with skin in the game; I have relatives who live in Israel. I have said for two years that Hamas should be eradicated and cannot be allowed to exist in Gaza.

Alongside joy for terror victims and their families, deal evokes fear and betrayal over release of hundreds of Palestinian terrorists​

Some try to find empathy for hostages to be released while others point to Shalit agreement as evidence releasing attackers makes terrorism more rampant

On Tal Hartuv’s chest is a jagged scar, one of 18 stab wounds on her body from a brutal attack outside Jerusalem in 2010 that killed her friend. Next to the seven-centimeter (3-inch) mark rests a dog tag inscribed with the words “Our heart is captive in Gaza,” a popular symbol of support for a ceasefire deal exchanging Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners.

On Friday, as many were celebrating a deal between Israel and Hamas after two years of war, Hartuv read through the list of Palestinian prisoners set to be released and saw the name Iyad Hassan Hussein Fatafta. He was one of three men who tried to kill her and who were convicted of killing her friend Kristine Luken, an American who was visiting Israel as a tourist.

Survivors like Hartuv and families of those killed in attacks have faced a wrenching dilemma throughout the war: Should the killers of their loved ones go free, risking future attacks, or should hostages held in the Gaza Strip be left to their fate?

“I can feel thrilled and hopeful and joyful that our hostages are coming home,” said Hartuv, who changed her name as part of her rehabilitation. “But I can still feel angry, I can feel betrayed, I can feel hollow. They’re not mutually exclusive,” she said.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...r-families-deal-evokes-fear-and-betrayal/amp/
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I challenge you to find a single post of mine that did not wholeheartedly support Israel.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Well, everyone -- including NBC Nightly News -- is calling it "Trump's peace plan." I agree that he had little to do with the negotiations but by Krom he's gonna take all the credit.
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Of course. Just like Obama took credit for killing Osama bin Laden. It's what presidents do. :)
 
Cypress said:
This war is just an abstraction for you. A vehicle to heap praise on your dear Messiah.

I'm probably the only person here with skin in the game; I have relatives who live in Israel. I have said for two years that Hamas should be eradicated and cannot be allowed to exist in Gaza.

Alongside joy for terror victims and their families, deal evokes fear and betrayal over release of hundreds of Palestinian terrorists​

Some try to find empathy for hostages to be released while others point to Shalit agreement as evidence releasing attackers makes terrorism more rampant

On Tal Hartuv’s chest is a jagged scar, one of 18 stab wounds on her body from a brutal attack outside Jerusalem in 2010 that killed her friend. Next to the seven-centimeter (3-inch) mark rests a dog tag inscribed with the words “Our heart is captive in Gaza,” a popular symbol of support for a ceasefire deal exchanging Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners.

On Friday, as many were celebrating a deal between Israel and Hamas after two years of war, Hartuv read through the list of Palestinian prisoners set to be released and saw the name Iyad Hassan Hussein Fatafta. He was one of three men who tried to kill her and who were convicted of killing her friend Kristine Luken, an American who was visiting Israel as a tourist.

Survivors like Hartuv and families of those killed in attacks have faced a wrenching dilemma throughout the war: Should the killers of their loved ones go free, risking future attacks, or should hostages held in the Gaza Strip be left to their fate?

“I can feel thrilled and hopeful and joyful that our hostages are coming home,” said Hartuv, who changed her name as part of her rehabilitation. “But I can still feel angry, I can feel betrayed, I can feel hollow. They’re not mutually exclusive,” she said.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...r-families-deal-evokes-fear-and-betrayal/amp/
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So now YOU"RE the biggest Zionist?

I told you it's too late.

it's over.

The search is over.... you were with me all the time -- Jimi Jamison
 
martin said:
The thousands of dead American soldiers weren't killed by tunnels.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
That's true. They were killed by those who used them for safety and ambush.
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Kinda negates the LW gun-banner idea that an armed guerrilla group can't successfully take on the US military. LOL

FWIW, the US military was winning the war in Vietnam even with both hands tied behind their backs. It's the political war that was lost, especially the War at Home.
 
FastLane said:
250 were seeing life sentences there were several murders.


Sending people BACK TO THEIR HOME IS NOT A HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION.

:facepalm:
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Arresting them and holding them without a trial is a violation of human rights. Israel is known for doing that.

www.timesofisrael.com

Over 1,100 Palestinians said held by Israel without trial, highest figure since 2003

Uptick in administrative detentions, reported by rights group HaMoked, comes as military presses on with arrest operations in West Bank amid series of terror attacks
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

Face palm right back at you.
 
Phantasmal said:
Arresting them and holding them without a trial is a violation of human rights. Israel is known for doing that.

www.timesofisrael.com

Over 1,100 Palestinians said held by Israel without trial, highest figure since 2003

Uptick in administrative detentions, reported by rights group HaMoked, comes as military presses on with arrest operations in West Bank amid series of terror attacks
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

Face palm right back at you.
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Taking hostages is a war crime. So is murdering and raping them.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Taking hostages is a war crime. So is murdering and raping them.
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So? That is obvious, did any of the arrested Palestinians have a part in that?


news.un.org

Rights probe alleges sexual violence against Palestinians by Israeli forces used as ‘method of war’

Senior human rights investigators reporting to the UN Human Rights Council alleged on Thursday that sexual and gender-based violence by Israeli security forces against Palestinians – including children - have been increasingly used “as a method of war” following the 7 October 2023 attacks that...
news.un.org news.un.org

www.middleeasteye.net

Israeli soldiers have been sexually assaulting Palestinian women for decades. Now they're speaking out

Researchers documenting violence against Palestinian women say so many have been attacked by Israeli soldiers since 7 October, the silence that once accompanied assaults has been shattered
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
 
Cypress said:
The only thing you care about is how to use this war to glorify your dear Messiah. And that includes cheering for the release of hundreds of terrorists in a lopsided agreement your Messiah made with Hamas
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:laugh: Fool, I supported Israel when the Hamas Israeli war started when your God Joe Biden was in office. Israel has a very long history of very lopsided prisoner swaps. This present swap was not as lopsided as several other Israli prisoner swaps.

  • 1948–1949 War of Independence: Israel and its Arab neighbors conducted separate agreements to exchange prisoners captured during the war.
  • 1956 Suez Crisis: Israel exchanged 5,500 Egyptian prisoners for four Israelis, including a pilot captured during the campaign and three soldiers seized in earlier skirmishes.
  • 1963 Syria exchange: Israel released 18 Syrian prisoners in exchange for 11 Israelis, some of whom had been held since 1949.
  • 1967 Six-Day War: Israel captured thousands of Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian soldiers. All were released after the war in exchange for 15 captured Israeli soldiers and the bodies of two others.
  • 1973 Yom Kippur War: A large-scale exchange was conducted, with Israel releasing thousands of Egyptian and Syrian prisoners in return for 293 Israeli captives.
Significant exchanges with non-state actors
  • 1983 Lebanon War exchange: Following the 1982 Lebanon War, Israel released 4,700 Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners from the Ansar prison camp, in addition to 65 other prisoners. This was done in exchange for six Israeli soldiers captured by Fatah.
  • 1985 Jibril Agreement: In one of the most controversial swaps, Israel released 1,150 Palestinian prisoners, including some convicted of planning or perpetrating deadly attacks. In return, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) released three Israeli soldiers.
  • 1997 Mossad agents for Sheikh Ahmed Yassin: After two Mossad agents were captured during a failed assassination attempt on Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, Israel provided the antidote for the poison used on Mashaal. In return for the agents, Israel released Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin from prison.
  • 2004 Hezbollah swap: Israel released 436 prisoners, including more than 400 Palestinians, in exchange for kidnapped businessman Elhanan Tannenbaum and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers.
  • 2008 Hezbollah swap: In a deal that drew sharp criticism, Israel released convicted murderer Samir Kuntar and four Hezbollah fighters for the bodies of two Israeli soldiers.
  • 2011 Gilad Shalit exchange: After five years of captivity, captured IDF soldier Gilad Shalit was released by Hamas in exchange for 1,027 Palestinian prisoners. Among those released was Yahya Sinwar, who would later become Hamas's leader in Gaza and a mastermind of the October 7, 2023, attacks.
 
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ThatOwlWoman said:
That's true. They were killed by those who used them for safety and ambush.
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Really? You don't think that after a few of those ambushes the army got the hang of it? Americans largely regarded the Vietcong similarly to the way Palestinians are regarded - through a lens of ethnic prejudice. In both cases it was no big deal as far as we were concerned to take their country away from them.
 
FastLane said:
:laugh: Fool, I supported Israel when the Hamas Israeli war started when you God Joe Biden was in office. Israel has a very long history of very lopsided prisoner swaps. This present swap was not as lopsided as several other Israli prisoner swaps.

  • 1948–1949 War of Independence: Israel and its Arab neighbors conducted separate agreements to exchange prisoners captured during the war.
  • 1956 Suez Crisis: Israel exchanged 5,500 Egyptian prisoners for four Israelis, including a pilot captured during the campaign and three soldiers seized in earlier skirmishes.
  • 1963 Syria exchange: Israel released 18 Syrian prisoners in exchange for 11 Israelis, some of whom had been held since 1949.
  • 1967 Six-Day War: Israel captured thousands of Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian soldiers. All were released after the war in exchange for 15 captured Israeli soldiers and the bodies of two others.
  • 1973 Yom Kippur War: A large-scale exchange was conducted, with Israel releasing thousands of Egyptian and Syrian prisoners in return for 293 Israeli captives.
Significant exchanges with non-state actors
  • 1983 Lebanon War exchange: Following the 1982 Lebanon War, Israel released 4,700 Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners from the Ansar prison camp, in addition to 65 other prisoners. This was done in exchange for six Israeli soldiers captured by Fatah.
  • 1985 Jibril Agreement: In one of the most controversial swaps, Israel released 1,150 Palestinian prisoners, including some convicted of planning or perpetrating deadly attacks. In return, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) released three Israeli soldiers.
  • 1997 Mossad agents for Sheikh Ahmed Yassin: After two Mossad agents were captured during a failed assassination attempt on Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, Israel provided the antidote for the poison used on Mashaal. In return for the agents, Israel released Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin from prison.
  • 2004 Hezbollah swap: Israel released 436 prisoners, including more than 400 Palestinians, in exchange for kidnapped businessman Elhanan Tannenbaum and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers.
  • 2008 Hezbollah swap: In a deal that drew sharp criticism, Israel released convicted murderer Samir Kuntar and four Hezbollah fighters for the bodies of two Israeli soldiers.
  • 2011 Gilad Shalit exchange: After five years of captivity, captured IDF soldier Gilad Shalit was released by Hamas in exchange for 1,027 Palestinian prisoners. Among those released was Yahya Sinwar, who would later become Hamas's leader in Gaza
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Cypress said:
Yeah, being anti-Hamas means being a rabid Zionist :rolleyes2:
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Kill all terrorists. It doesn't matter their religion, skin-tone, gender, sex, hobbies, number of kids, or anything else. Just make sure they are D-E-A-D. :thup:

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martin said:
Really? You don't think that after a few of those ambushes the army got the hang of it? Americans largely regarded the Vietcong similarly to the way Palestinians are regarded - through a lens of ethnic prejudice.
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Cold bloodied murder of more than 1000 Israelis, including the burning and beheading of children…taking hostages, is the issue, Marty.

Try to keep up.
 
FastLane said:
:laugh: Fool, I supported Israel when the Hamas Israeli war started when you God Joe Biden was in office. Israel has a very long history of very lopsided prisoner swaps. This present swap was not as lopsided as several other Israli prisoner swaps.

  • 1948–1949 War of Independence: Israel and its Arab neighbors conducted separate agreements to exchange prisoners captured during the war.
  • 1956 Suez Crisis: Israel exchanged 5,500 Egyptian prisoners for four Israelis, including a pilot captured during the campaign and three soldiers seized in earlier skirmishes.
  • 1963 Syria exchange: Israel released 18 Syrian prisoners in exchange for 11 Israelis, some of whom had been held since 1949.
  • 1967 Six-Day War: Israel captured thousands of Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian soldiers. All were released after the war in exchange for 15 captured Israeli soldiers and the bodies of two others.
  • 1973 Yom Kippur War: A large-scale exchange was conducted, with Israel releasing thousands of Egyptian and Syrian prisoners in return for 293 Israeli captives.
Significant exchanges with non-state actors
  • 1983 Lebanon War exchange: Following the 1982 Lebanon War, Israel released 4,700 Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners from the Ansar prison camp, in addition to 65 other prisoners. This was done in exchange for six Israeli soldiers captured by Fatah.
  • 1985 Jibril Agreement: In one of the most controversial swaps, Israel released 1,150 Palestinian prisoners, including some convicted of planning or perpetrating deadly attacks. In return, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) released three Israeli soldiers.
  • 1997 Mossad agents for Sheikh Ahmed Yassin: After two Mossad agents were captured during a failed assassination attempt on Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, Israel provided the antidote for the poison used on Mashaal. In return for the agents, Israel released Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin from prison.
  • 2004 Hezbollah swap: Israel released 436 prisoners, including more than 400 Palestinians, in exchange for kidnapped businessman Elhanan Tannenbaum and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers.
  • 2008 Hezbollah swap: In a deal that drew sharp criticism, Israel released convicted murderer Samir Kuntar and four Hezbollah fighters for the bodies of two Israeli soldiers.
  • 2011 Gilad Shalit exchange: After five years of captivity, captured IDF soldier Gilad Shalit was released by Hamas in exchange for 1,027 Palestinian prisoners. Among those released was Yahya Sinwar, who would later become Hamas's leader in Gaza and a mastermind of the October 7, 2023, attacks.
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Doesn't matter what Israel did 12 years ago. You don't get to cling to that with a vice grip.

You MAGAs to a man howled in protest when Obama traded five Taliban for a US Army ranger

Why the ginormous and massive flip flop?
 
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