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Hume said:
gen·o·cide
/ˈjenəˌsīd/

noun


  2. the deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
    "a campaign of genocide"
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Systematic killing of "a large number of people". You could say that any mass shooter is "systematically" killing people, but nobody is going to claim they're committing genocide.

On October 7, 2021, Hamas fighters killed about 1,000 civilians in 8 hours, using nothing but handheld guns and knives. If they maintained that rate of murder, that would be 3,000 per day and would total just over 2 million in 2 years since the war started.

Israel, an actual military, with actual military weapons, has killed (last I saw) 74,000 in 2 years.

So, where is the genocide? Is 2.9% over 2 years considered genocide to you?
 
Hume said:
You need to read history. My definition is standard.
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On October 7, 2021, Hamas fighters killed about 1,000 civilians in 8 hours, using nothing but handheld guns and knives. If they maintained that rate of murder, that would be 3,000 per day and would total just over 2 million in 2 years since the war started.

Israel, an actual military, with actual military weapons, has killed (last I saw) 74,000 in 2 years.

So, where is the genocide? Is 2.9% over 2 years considered genocide to you?
 
ZenMode said:
On October 7, 2021, Hamas fighters killed about 1,000 civilians in 8 hours, using nothing but handheld guns and knives. If they maintained that rate of murder, that would be 3,000 per day and would total just over 2 million in 2 years since the war started.

Israel, an actual military, with actual military weapons, has killed (last I saw) 74,000 in 2 years.

So, where is the genocide? Is 2.9% over 2 years considered genocide to you?
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Hamas bad. Got it.
 
ZenMode said:
On October 7, 2021, Hamas fighters killed about 1,000 civilians in 8 hours, using nothing but handheld guns and knives. If they maintained that rate of murder, that would be 3,000 per day and would total just over 2 million in 2 years since the war started.

Israel, an actual military, with actual military weapons, has killed (last I saw) 74,000 in 2 years.

So, where is the genocide? Is 2.9% over 2 years considered genocide to you?
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They also had paragliders, bulldozers and trucks. You're free to support the terrorists and "from the river to the sea", but they're the terrorists, not the Israelis.

The United States killed more Japanese during WWII than the Japanese killed Americans. I have no doubt you'd apologize for them too while condemning the United States for superior weaponry.
 
ZenMode said:
On October 7, 2021, Hamas fighters killed about 1,000 civilians in 8 hours, using nothing but handheld guns and knives. If they maintained that rate of murder, that would be 3,000 per day and would total just over 2 million in 2 years since the war started.

Israel, an actual military, with actual military weapons, has killed (last I saw) 74,000 in 2 years.

So, where is the genocide? Is 2.9% over 2 years considered genocide to you?
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genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.

www.britannica.com

Genocide | Definition, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

Genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. The term was derived from the Greek genos (‘race,’ ‘tribe,’ or ‘nation’) and the Latin cide (‘killing’). Learn more about the history of genocide in this article.
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Hume said:
genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.

www.britannica.com

Genocide | Definition, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

Genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. The term was derived from the Greek genos (‘race,’ ‘tribe,’ or ‘nation’) and the Latin cide (‘killing’). Learn more about the history of genocide in this article.
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Right, so what makes you believe Israel was trying to destroy Gazans, when they can't even keep up with the murder rate of terrorists using knives and hand-held guns?

You realize that Israel, if they wanted (intended) to could kill 74k in an hour, right?
 
ZenMode said:
Right, so what makes you believe Israel was trying to destroy Gazans, when they can't even keep up with the murder rate of terrorists using knives and hand-held guns?

You realize that Israel, if they wanted (intended) to could kill 74k in an hour, right?
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Good. Will you stop insisting that "systematic" has nothing to do with definition of genocide?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They also had paragliders, bulldozers and trucks. You're free to support the terrorists and "from the river to the sea", but they're the terrorists, not the Israelis.

The United States killed more Japanese during WWII than the Japanese killed Americans. I have no doubt you'd apologize for them too while condemning the United States for superior weaponry.
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Hume said:
I NEVER SAID IT IS THE ONLY DEFINTION
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That is the ONLY thing you have provided as support for your claim, despite the fact that the math clearly does not show intent to commit genocide and neither does Israel's actions.

So, what do you have besides systematic killing?
 
ZenMode said:
Right, so what makes you believe Israel was trying to destroy Gazans, when they can't even keep up with the murder rate of terrorists using knives and hand-held guns?

You realize that Israel, if they wanted (intended) to could kill 74k in an hour, right?
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Nuking Gaza would work, but it would clearly cross a line.
 
ZenMode said:
That is the ONLY thing you have provided as support for your claim, despite the fact that the math clearly does not show intent to commit genocide.

So, what do you have besides systematic killing?
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You love arguing about nothing.
 
ZenMode said:
That would be actual genocide. It would show clear intent to wipe out most/all Gazans.
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Not necessarily, but I think most nations would consider it a war crime.

FWIW, by taking Ukrainian children and shipping them to Russia, Putin is guilty of genocide per the UN definitions. Simply killing people is not. Israel intends to wipe out Hamas, even when they put their HQs under hospitals and Mosques. If Hamas would surrender and lay down their arms, Israel would stop.

www.un.org

Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

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Hume said:
[irrelevant definition omitted]
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The only definition that matters is the one in Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, of which the United States and Israel are both signatories along with almost every other country, which ratified this definition internally.

Some things you'll notice:

* You'll notice that signatories signed up to nevert commit genocide against anyone, with no allowances for genocide against non-signatories.
* You'll notice that violations by signatories are to be punished by the other signatories
* You'll notice that private individuals can be punished for (e) Complicity in genocide which can be (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide, which can apply to essentially every member of Team Israel.

The text below is not the complete Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article I
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or intime of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, assuch:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about itsphysical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III
The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV
Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall bepunished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

Article V
The Contracting Parties undertake to enact, in accordance with their respective Constitutions, the necessary legislation to give effect to the provisions of the present Convention, and, in particular, to provide effective penalties for persons guilty ofgenocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III.

Article VI
Persons charged with genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be tried by a competent tribunal of the State in the territory of which the act wascommitted, or by such international penal tribunal as may have jurisdiction with respect to those Contracting Parties which shall have accepted its jurisdiction.
 
IBDaMann said:
The only definition that matters is the one in Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, of which the United States and Israel are both signatories along with almost every other country, which ratified this definition internally.

Some things you'll notice:

* You'll notice that signatories signed up to nevert commit genocide against anyone, with no allowances for genocide against non-signatories.
* You'll notice that violations by signatories are to be punished by the other signatories
* You'll notice that private individuals can be punished for (e) Complicity in genocide which can be (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide, which can apply to essentially every member of Team Israel.

The text below is not the complete Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article I
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or intime of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, assuch:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about itsphysical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III
The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV
Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall bepunished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

Article V
The Contracting Parties undertake to enact, in accordance with their respective Constitutions, the necessary legislation to give effect to the provisions of the present Convention, and, in particular, to provide effective penalties for persons guilty ofgenocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III.

Article VI
Persons charged with genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be tried by a competent tribunal of the State in the territory of which the act wascommitted, or by such international penal tribunal as may have jurisdiction with respect to those Contracting Parties which shall have accepted its jurisdiction.
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So?
 
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