Filibuster... Kill it or save it?

Bipartisan JPP agreement to nuke the filibuster?

  • Yes lets hold hand and do this.

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • No, fvck Trump i disagree. Keep it.

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • I was for nuking it but not now i see Dems would like it.

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .
Bingo. And Democrats are going to un-invent that rule upon regaining control of the Senate, so Republicans should be smart, play to win, and un-invent it first.


As I said, if we don't, it seems likely that all the things Republicans have accomplished will be undone.

if we don't, all the things Republicans want to accomplish in the foreseeable future won't happen.

That's why we've gotta do it now.

Democrats have already said they intend to pack the Court as soon as they get the chance.

We MUST strike first.

If the GOP packs the court now, while they can, they can quash a lot of the lawfare that's currently clogging the District Courts with obstructionism.

If the GOP hesitates, they may not get another chance for decades, because the Trump-hating Democrats will raise the bar to 13 or more Justices as soon as they can.

How do I know?

Lots of 'em have said so, and on this question, I believe them.

If we don't try, a generation of Republicans could be shut out of governing.
 
No emergency was ever "pretended", Zen...
Of course they were. Again, you're blindly agreeing with it because a) he's mean to Democrats and b) his misusing powers to do what you agree with.

If the roles were reversed, you'd be on here losing your mind about the abuse of power.
 
No. It became a thing right around the time of the beginning of the Civil War.


The filibuster originated in the early U.S. Senate, where unlimited debate was allowed under rules adopted in 1789, inspired by ancient Roman practices and the lack of debate limits in the Articles of Confederation era.

The term "filibuster" (from Dutch "vrijbuiter," meaning pirate) entered U.S. usage in the 1850s, describing senators who "hijacked" proceedings with prolonged speeches to delay or block votes.

Key examples include Democrat John C. Calhoun's 1841 marathon against a bank bill and Democrat Huey Long's 1935 15-hour speech reciting recipes and Shakespeare.

The first formal cloture rule to end filibusters was adopted in 1917 amid World War I pressures, requiring a two-thirds vote (later reduced to three-fifths, or 60 votes, in 1975) of senators present.

Filibusters surged in the mid-20th century, notably by Southern Democrats blocking civil rights legislation from the 1930s to 1960s—e.g., Democrat Strom Thurmond's 24-hour, 18-minute record in 1957 against the Civil Rights Act.

The "talking filibuster" waned after 1970 rule changes allowing "silent" holds, shifting to procedural delays.

Reform debates intensified in the 2000s-2020s: Republicans threatened the "nuclear option" in 2005 (it was not used), but Democrats invoked it in 2013 to eliminate filibusters for most judicial nominees (except Supreme Court), and Republicans extended it to Supreme Court nominees in 2017.

As of 2025, the legislative filibuster remains for bills, requiring 60 votes to advance, amid ongoing partisan calls for abolition or restoration of talking requirements.
 
The tactic of using long speeches to delay action on legislation appeared in the very first session of the Senate. On September 22, 1789, Pennsylvania Senator William Maclay wrote in his diary that the “design of the Virginians . . . was to talk away the time, so that we could not get the bill passed.” As the number of filibusters grew in the 19th century, the Senate had no formal process to allow a majority to end debate and force a vote on legislation or nominations.
 
Things that have changed over time for the filibuster:

In 1806, the beginnings of the filibuster started with the removal of the "previous question" rule which allowed a simple majority to end debate, this inadvertently allowed for infinite debates.

About 1850 it became a thing when some Senators started using the new rule to block legislation indefinitely. Using the Dutch and Spanish word for Pirate they called it a "filibuster".

Later rules were instated:

Rule 22 (1917): Frustrated by obstruction, the Senate established the cloture rule, which required a two-thirds vote to end a filibuster

Lowering the cloture threshold (1975): The cloture requirement was lowered to 60 votes.
 
Damo

When I first met you you would have NEVER have spoken about a subject without researching some hard facts on the subject


What happened

Are OK?

Is someone holding you hostage?
 
Things that have changed over time for the filibuster:

In 1806, the beginnings of the filibuster started with the removal of the "previous question" rule which allowed a simple majority to end debate, this inadvertently allowed for infinite debates.

About 1850 it became a thing when some Senators started using the new rule to block legislation indefinitely. Using the Dutch and Spanish word for Pirate they called it a "filibuster".

Later rules were instated:

Rule 22 (1917): Frustrated by obstruction, the Senate established the cloture rule, which required a two-thirds vote to end a filibuster

Lowering the cloture threshold (1975): The cloture requirement was lowered to 60 votes.
The tactic of using long speeches to delay action on legislation appeared in the very first session of the Senate. On September 22, 1789, Pennsylvania Senator William Maclay wrote in his diary that the “design of the Virginians . . . was to talk away the time, so that we could not get the bill passed.” As the number of filibusters grew in the 19th century, the Senate had no formal process to allow a majority to end debate and force a vote on legislation or nominations.



The very fucking first session had one dude

The first fucking day
 
Damo

When I first met you you would have NEVER have spoken about a subject without researching some hard facts on the subject


What happened

Are OK?

Is someone holding you hostage?
I have researched. Long speeches were overcome with a simple majority vote in the first sessions of the Senate.

Please pay attention.

Things that have changed over time for the filibuster:

In 1806, the beginnings of the filibuster started with the removal of the "previous question" rule which allowed a simple majority to end debate, this inadvertently allowed for infinite debates.

About 1850 it became a thing when some Senators started using the new rule to block legislation indefinitely. Using the Dutch and Spanish word for Pirate they called it a "filibuster".

Later rules were instated:

Rule 22 (1917): Frustrated by obstruction, the Senate established the cloture rule, which required a two-thirds vote to end a filibuster

Lowering the cloture threshold (1975): The cloture requirement was lowered to 60 votes.
 
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