cops murder doctor in his own home

SmarterthanYou said:
ROFL, telling me I read the decision wrong while you give a completely incorrect analysis is hilarious.

You, AGAIN, make up facts where there are none. there was no pursuit, no matter how hard you feel you need to believe that. there was no pursuit, so get that 'exigent' bullshit out your head. the cops NEVER pursued Lanis from the outside to the inside of his house. He never crossed the threshold, but the cops unconstitutionally did so.



thos
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And the gratuitous ad hominem just keeps coming...

They placed him under arrest. He has no, zero, right to flee the police at that point into his home, car, a business, or anywhere else. The police had their suspect in plain sight and arrested him. They wanted him to step out and be placed in restraints. He fled the police. They can pursue him at that point. A felon fleeing arrest counts as "an emergency." A misdemeanor, no. But it was a felony arrest. Lanis had nothing coming.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
again, your bias pro government is noted, however, you refuse to acknowledge the reality of law enforcement and only your infantile belief in it has you thinking this crap. Reality dictates, as well as history, that if they had a warrant, they would not have bothered to coax him outside, they would have just grabbed him.

the dr NEVER fleed in to the house, he had been sleeping inside when the cops knocked on the door.

Again, payton vs. new york. read it.
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Repetition fallacy (chanting). RAAA. False authority fallacy. Buzzword fallacies.
Illiteracy: Sentences begin with a capital letter. Missing period. Extraneous commas. Misspelled word. Proper nouns are always capitalized.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Did nobody watch the body cam? His mistake was definitely opening the door. They asked him outside because it was the ONLY legal way to arrest him, since they did not have a warrant. It wasn't until the dumbass rookie grabbed him that resistance started. And the fight wasn't at the door, it was inside the living room of the house that the cops had no warrant to enter.

Now, the important part here shows how most of you have accepted the fact that the government has made you their slave, too afraid to fight for your rights. Generally, a cop will not end up in prison if they shoot you, even illegally, and you all accept that under the idiot premise that cops are mostly 'good'.
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Repetition fallacy (chanting). Assumption. RAAA. Bigotry.
Why do you hate cops so much?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And the gratuitous ad hominem just keeps coming...

They placed him under arrest. He has no, zero, right to flee the police at that point into his home, car, a business, or anywhere else. The police had their suspect in plain sight and arrested him. They wanted him to step out and be placed in restraints. He fled the police. They can pursue him at that point. A felon fleeing arrest counts as "an emergency." A misdemeanor, no. But it was a felony arrest. Lanis had nothing coming.
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Also, fleeing from an arrest for a misdemeanor turns it into a felony.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I agree that you should never open your door to the police. NEVER. If they then have that actual warrant, not opening the door isn't going to stop them.

In your scenario, you've left your fate of being unlawfully arrested in the hands of the very government that unlawfully arrested you.........how sensical is that? yes, you're alive, but maybe that judge loves cops, so he absolves them of any wrongdoing. Now you're in jail to stay, even though your rights were clearly violated. On the off chance that qualified immunity is overcome and you can actually sue those individual officers, they suffer no punishment. The entity that employed them pays insurance premiums, that YOU paid for through taxes, to cover any settlement awards or damages awarded by a jury. If, for some reason, they end up being shown that they were in the wrong, their union contract allows them to resign in leiu of being fired, saving their years for pension, and they just end up hired by another agency............or as a complete fuck you to the public, and you who were wronged, those officers stay hired and get promoted.

it's a shit show where the people are only offered the illusion of maintaining power, where they actually have none.
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Almost every police department and sheriff's office have policies to just leave if you simply do not answer the door, so they can avoid losing a conviction if the courts do not go their way, even if they believe you are in there. You've taken control by simply not acting.

Unlawfully arresting me gives me a chance to sue, to teach them a lesson, so long as I survive the encounter. Often the cops will lose their jobs if the lawsuit is costly enough and their actions egregious enough. The point is to SURVIVE the encounter so you can force them to pay for their overreach. Acting out and dying will not do what you think it will.
 
Damocles said:
Almost every police department and sheriff's office have policies to just leave if you simply do not answer the door
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Departments vary greatly in how aggressively they serve warrants.

In practice, for low-level warrants, many officers will leave if you don’t answer but for felonies or violent offenses? They will not simply walk away!
 
SmarterthanYou said:
ROFL, telling me I read the decision wrong while you give a completely incorrect analysis is hilarious.

You, AGAIN, make up facts where there are none. there was no pursuit, no matter how hard you feel you need to believe that. there was no pursuit, so get that 'exigent' bullshit out your head. the cops NEVER pursued Lanis from the outside to the inside of his house. He never crossed the threshold, but the cops unconstitutionally did so.



thos
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What part of the Constitution prevents a cop from crossing a threshold to conduct an arrest?
You can't use the 4th amendment, since this amendment does not discuss arrest procedure.
 
zymurgy said:
Departments vary greatly in how aggressively they serve warrants.

In practice, for low-level warrants, many officers will leave if you don’t answer but for felonies or violent offenses? They will not simply walk away!
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If they do not walk away, when serving solely an arrest warrant for something like this they would sit outside and wait, knowing at some point you have to leave. The idea is to ensure that you do not violate the rights of the person, they often create policy that protects even more than allowed. They can enter the home, I posted it above. If they have an arrest warrant and it is the man's home entering it is allowable if they have a reason to believe he is there. Very often they write policy to assume he is not, even if some evidence, e.g. like a TV being on, exists and they create the policy this way in order to protect the ability to actually prosecute, so they will not violate his rights...
 
Damocles said:
If they do not walk away, when serving solely an arrest warrant for something like this they would sit outside and wait, knowing at some point you have to leave. The idea is to ensure that you do not violate the rights of the person, they often create policy that protects even more than allowed. They can enter the home, I posted it above. If they have an arrest warrant and it is the man's home entering it is allowable if they have a reason to believe he is there. Very often they write policy to assume he is not, even if some evidence, e.g. like a TV being on, exists and they create the policy this way in order to protect the ability to actually prosecute, so they will not violate his rights...
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this is simply not true in many cases

they may even bring an entire swat unit to bust the door down if you are considered violent enough. they may not even knock
 
All of which you say, zymurgy, fits into what Damocles is arguing.

The homeowner was a fool. I feel sorry for his family and loved ones.
 
zymurgy said:
this is simply not true in many cases

they may even bring an entire swat unit to bust the door down if you are considered violent enough. they may not even knock
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It really is in most cases. What you call "many" is by far the minority. What this guy had done would not have involved them forcing entry into his home to arrest him. Simply not answering the door would be the safest way to interact with the cops on that day. It is safest for the cops and for the person, they know where he is, and the warrant can be served when he leaves in his car (the usual practice when arresting someone they think may be dangerous in most law enforcement groups it is safer for all involved) and they pull him over.

Why do you think they chose to arrest BTK in his car when they could have gone to his house? They didn't want any hostage situation and they wanted more control is the answer. They knew where Rader lived, they made a plan and arrested him in his car.

Anyway, non dangerous folks they usually literally leave, dangerous folks it is best to stake out from a distance. Policies are much different than what you see on TV. (Believe me, it is my current job to know these policies.)

It's possible you'll find some backwater that would bust through the door for a guy getting arrested for the first time and act like morons... but they are just putting themselves in danger.

Your best bet when faced with cops knocking on your door is to just not answer the door. Then contact an attorney, you know they have an arrest warrant, control how that happens, turn yourself in.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And the gratuitous ad hominem just keeps coming...

They placed him under arrest. He has no, zero, right to flee the police at that point into his home, car, a business, or anywhere else. The police had their suspect in plain sight and arrested him. They wanted him to step out and be placed in restraints. He fled the police. They can pursue him at that point. A felon fleeing arrest counts as "an emergency." A misdemeanor, no. But it was a felony arrest. Lanis had nothing coming.
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JFC you morons. He didn't flee in to his home, he was ALREADY in his home.

you fuckers clearly don't know, or care, about the Constitution or the law.
 
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