MAGA is so hypocritical about religion

T. A. Gardner said:
Whoever wrote that is an idiot. They obviously don't know, or understand, the difference between how Islamic law and Christian principles works.

In Islamic law and nations, the religion and politics are intertwined completely. The religion is the state. In Christianity, religious principles and beliefs may, or may not, be codified into law but the state isn't run by the religion. An exception would be the Catholic Church were the Papal state in Italy is a religious government.
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Um psst it says Christian Nationalism, not Christianity. Who's the idiot?
 
AProudLefty said:
Um psst it says Christian Nationalism, not Christianity. Who's the idiot?
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Doesn't change what I stated. Outside of the Vatican, there is no "Christian state" or nation that codifies the Christian religion into law. On the other hand, there are dozens of states that codify Islam into law.

For example, name a country where being Christian is mandatory and failure to be one is penalized under law. How about mandatory attendance to church services? What countries make it a capital offense to burn a bible?
 
AProudLefty said:
"Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism"
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Said no one, ever.

You can't lie your way out of this.

Fascism is ultimately the supremacy of the state, the concept that ALL power ultimately is the rightful domain of the central, in our case federal, government.

Mussolini was one of Vladimir Lenin's top lieutenants and deeply dedicated to the cause of socialism. But of course he was a megalomaniac and not going to play second fiddle to anyone, Il Deuce was the boss.

Mussolini set out to fix some of the deep flaws of the Bolsheviks. First was the issue of human nature. The Bolsheviks addressed this by corruption, Lenin and later Stalin made corruption a central feature of Communism, because nothing gets accomplished without the promise of reward. Graft is a poor way of managing
 
AProudLefty said:
False. Plenty of Christians on the left.
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Correct. About 38% vs. the 59% of Republicans who claim to be Christian.

www.pewresearch.org

Party identification among religious groups and religiously unaffiliated voters

Partisanship remains strongly linked to registered voters’ religious affiliation, and religious “nones” have become more Democratic.
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T. A. Gardner said:
Doesn't change what I stated. Outside of the Vatican, there is no "Christian state" or nation that codifies the Christian religion into law. On the other hand, there are dozens of states that codify Islam into law.

For example, name a country where being Christian is mandatory and failure to be one is penalized under law. How about mandatory attendance to church services? What countries make it a capital offense to burn a bible?
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Missing the point. The people who are worried about the push of Sharia law are the same people who are not worried about the push of Christian Nationalism. Either they are unaware or being willfully hypocritical.

And who said anything about being a Christian is mandatory?
 
AProudLefty said:
Missing the point. The people who are worried about the push of Sharia law are the same people who are not worried about the push of Christian Nationalism. Either they are unaware or being willfully hypocritical.

And who said anything about being a Christian is mandatory?
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That is the point. Shria law and Christian nationalism are two entirely different entities insofar as how they operate. That's my point. It points out the absurdity of comparing the two as if they were equivalent, which is what the OP does.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Said no one, ever.

You can't lie your way out of this.

Fascism is ultimately the supremacy of the state, the concept that ALL power ultimately is the rightful domain of the central, in our case federal, government.

Mussolini was one of Vladimir Lenin's top lieutenants and deeply dedicated to the cause of socialism. But of course he was a megalomaniac and not going to play second fiddle to anyone, Il Deuce was the boss.

Mussolini set out to fix some of the deep flaws of the Bolsheviks. First was the issue of human nature. The Bolsheviks addressed this by corruption, Lenin and later Stalin made corruption a central feature of Communism, because nothing gets accomplished without the promise of reward. Graft is a poor way of managing
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It's in Mussolini book. Here: https://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

Here's another quote: "it is opposed to classical liberalism"
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That is the point. Shria law and Christian nationalism are two entirely different entities insofar as how they operate. That's my point. It points out the absurdity of comparing the two as if they were equivalent, which is what the OP does.
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I'll bite. How are they different? Let's start with indoctrination in schools and their stance on LGBT. And don't leave out them wanting Christianity in our government.

Go ahead.
 
AProudLefty said:
Yep.

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Christian nationalism is a political ideology that seeks to fuse American civic life with a specific, traditionalist expression of Christianity, believing the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation and that its laws should be based on Christian values. It advocates for a close relationship between church and state, often supporting policies that align with its interpretation of Christian principles, such as prayer in schools and anti-LGBTQ+ legislation. This ideology is a subject of concern for many who see it as a threat to religious liberty, the separation of church and state, and other democratic principles.
Core beliefs and goals
Christian-centric founding: Believes the United States was founded as a Christian nation and that its national identity should be intertwined with Christianity.
Christian values in law: Argues that Christian principles should guide public policy and that laws should reflect certain Christian values.
Social and moral order: Aims to establish a society that aligns with a traditionalist view of social hierarchies and morality, often favoring a strong, authoritarian-style social control.
Dominance of a specific form of Christianity: The "Christian" aspect refers to a particular, often culturally specific, expression of Christianity, rather than all Christian beliefs.
Examples of supported policies and beliefs
Reinstating prayer in public schools
Banning certain books from libraries
Discouraging or banning LGBTQ+ rights
Teaching creationism in public school science classes
Concerns and criticisms
Undermining democracy: Critics argue that Christian nationalism is an anti-democratic ideology that threatens the separation of church and state, the Constitution, and religious freedom for non-Christians and secularists.
Threat to religious liberty: It can lead to discrimination against religious minorities, women, and LGBTQ+ individuals, while also being used to justify circumventing laws, according to the American Progress.
Authoritarian tendencies: Some analysts describe the ideology as favoring authoritarian social control to maintain its vision of order, even to the detriment of democracy.
Misuse of religious claims: Some Christian nationalists may misuse religious liberty as a tool to advance their political and social agendas, as discussed by the American Civil Liberties Union.
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It's the American form of the Taliban or ISIS.

The people advocating this are enemies of the Constitution. Their own relatives and neighbors will take them down when the time comes. If the traitors are lucky, they'll get a Christian burial and not simply fed to the pigs.

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AProudLefty said:
Missing the point. The people who are worried about the push of Sharia law are the same people who are not worried about the push of Christian Nationalism. Either they are unaware or being willfully hypocritical.

And who said anything about being a Christian is mandatory?
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Sharia law makes Islam mandatory. So Christian Nationalism and Sharia are comparable thanks for proving our point.
 
AProudLefty said:
I'll bite. How are they different? Let's start with indoctrination in schools and their stance on LGBT. And don't leave out them wanting Christianity in our government.

Go ahead.
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Well, LGBT is something that many governments, religious or not, oppress. Communist nations, for example, generally come down hard on that. So, that one isn't necessarily a religious thing you can single out.

Indoctrination in schools is another thing most oppressive governments practice. In fact, I'd say that Sharia law, Christian Nationalism, and dictatorships have more in common with one and other. That is, all three want restrictive, oppressive, government that hews to one degree or another toward a set of rules they either codify or use to make law from.

In Christian Nationalism, the laws are derived from religious principles. In Sharia law, the laws are religious from the get-go as they are already codified in Islam and the Quran. Teaching a religion in something like public schools doesn't necessarily equate to that being part of some nation's codified laws.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Well, LGBT is something that many governments, religious or not, oppress. Communist nations, for example, generally come down hard on that. So, that one isn't necessarily a religious thing you can single out.

Indoctrination in schools is another thing most oppressive governments practice. In fact, I'd say that Sharia law, Christian Nationalism, and dictatorships have more in common with one and other. That is, all three want restrictive, oppressive, government that hews to one degree or another toward a set of rules they either codify or use to make law from.

In Christian Nationalism, the laws are derived from religious principles. In Sharia law, the laws are religious from the get-go as they are already codified in Islam and the Quran. Teaching a religion in something like public schools doesn't necessarily equate to that being part of some nation's codified laws.
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The laws are also codified in the Bible. Christian Nationalists and Dominionists want to see that they are followed in governments.

There is no difference between them and those who allegedly push for Sharia law in America.

Hypocrisy is the point. Don't preach what you are already practicing.
 
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