Adm. Alvin Holsey resigned over Hegseth's Venezuela boat strike orders

Guno צְבִי

Guno צְבִי

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In December 2025, a claim (archived) circulated online that Admiral Alvin Holsey resigned as the head of the U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) because of Pete Hegseth's Venezuelan boat strike orders.

Since September 2025, the Trump administration and the Pentagon have announced at least 21 strikes on suspected drug trafficking boats from Venezuela and the surrounding area, Axios reported, killing at least 82 people as of Dec. 1, 2025.

SOUTHCOM, the unified combatant command that covers Central and South America and the Caribbean, announced (archived) on Oct. 16, 2025, that Holsey, the force's commander, would retire on Dec. 12.

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Unpacking claim Adm. Alvin Holsey resigned over Hegseth's Venezuela boat strike orders

Holsey will retire from the Navy on Dec. 12, 2025, after a little more than a year leading the U.S. Southern Command.
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Guno צְבִי said:
In December 2025, a claim (archived) circulated online that Admiral Alvin Holsey resigned as the head of the U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) because of Pete Hegseth's Venezuelan boat strike orders.

Since September 2025, the Trump administration and the Pentagon have announced at least 21 strikes on suspected drug trafficking boats from Venezuela and the surrounding area, Axios reported, killing at least 82 people as of Dec. 1, 2025.

SOUTHCOM, the unified combatant command that covers Central and South America and the Caribbean, announced (archived) on Oct. 16, 2025, that Holsey, the force's commander, would retire on Dec. 12.

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Unpacking claim Adm. Alvin Holsey resigned over Hegseth's Venezuela boat strike orders

Holsey will retire from the Navy on Dec. 12, 2025, after a little more than a year leading the U.S. Southern Command.
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Honorable man, it’s sad he had to resign.
 
Trump downgrades anything he is involved with. He is a horrible person. He wants a war . He said Maduro's days are numbered. The Trumpys will have to back this war. Trump makes their decisions.
 
RB 60 said:
You just said it, so who's the stupid one?
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RB we have spoken about your comprehension prior and how you do not understand what you read.

In this case, i am parroting your position to show how stupid it is.

Do you deny that is your position now? Are you running from what you just said minutes ago as you finally accept how stupid it is?
 
QP! said:
RB we have spoken about your comprehension prior and how you do not understand what you read.

In this case, i am parroting your position to show how stupid it is.

Do you deny that is your position now? Are you running from what you just said minutes ago as you finally accept how stupid it is?
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Your assessment is incorrect.

You aren't parroting my position.

My position has been a question.
 
RB 60 said:
Your assessment is incorrect.

You aren't parroting my position.

My position has been a question.
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ahaha. Try and back away now. So funny. At least you can realize how stupid what you said was prior.

So you now admit each and every service person, as this one did, can now make a decision on what they believe is an illegal order, and they can choose to not follow it?
 
QP! said:
RB is the poster child for Trump supporters...

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He argues himself in circles and then tries to run away from things he said just minutes later once someone takes the time to explain to how stupid what he said was.
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You simply cannot comprehend what I said.
Again, who determines what an illegal order is?
Can any recruit make that decision on his/her own?
 
Article 90, which covers the rules over "Willfully Disobeying Superior Commissioned Officer," explicitly prohibits orders that "without such a valid military purpose, interfere with private rights or personal affairs."

They are also bound to follow international agreements to which the U.S. is a signatory.


The International Committee of the Red Cross, which protects victims under the rules of the Geneva Convention, also states that armed service members are liable for criminal responsibility "if the subordinate knew that the act ordered was unlawful or should have known because of the manifestly unlawful nature of the act ordered."

Unlawful orders have come up many times in U.S. military courts over the decades, with prosecutors pushing back against the "Nuremberg defense," a reference to the Nuremberg trials after World War II, in which several Nazis unsuccessfully defended their actions by claiming they they were following orders from their superiors.

In 1969 during the Vietnam War, the U.S. Court of Military Appeals ruled against a soldier who was convicted of killing a Vietnamese man and claimed that he was following orders.

War Crime: Examples include harming civilians, torturing detainees, or falsifying records.

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What the military oath of enlistment says about legal and illegal orders

The call from Democratic veterans in Congress highlights the federal law that dictates the conduct of members of the military.
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Examples of Illegal Orders
  • Targeting civilians or non-combatants.
  • Abusing prisoners or detainees.
  • Falsifying official documents.
  • Engaging in unauthorized domestic law enforcement.
 
RB 60 said:
You simply cannot comprehend what I said.
Again, who determines what an illegal order is?
Can any recruit make that decision on his/her own?
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No one can comprehend your stupidity so finally we agree upon something.

Just as this soldier did, just as they teach in military academy, EACH AND EVERY service member must make THEIR OWN determination, and if they need to consult a JAG or other lawyers they can, and if they BELIEVE an order is an illegal one, they must not follow it.

RB i know you have no ability to read the below and comprehend it but see if someone will help you as this is directly from what is taught in Military Academy..


Core Principles Taught at Military Academies​



  • Obligation to disobey unlawful orders
    • Following an illegal order is itself a crime
    • “I was just following orders” is not a legal defense
  • Individual criminal responsibility
    • Service members are personally accountable under:
      • Military law (e.g., UCMJ)
      • Domestic criminal law
      • International humanitarian law (Law of Armed Conflict)
  • Manifestly unlawful orders standard
    • You are expected to refuse orders that are clearly illegal on their face, such as:
      • Killing wounded or surrendering enemies
      • Targeting civilians or civilian objects
      • Torture or cruel treatment
      • Rape, looting, or collective punishment
  • Orders you must question
    • Orders that:
      • Violate Rules of Engagement (ROE)
      • Conflict with the Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC)
      • Seem outside the issuing commander’s authority
 
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