If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

IBDaMann said:
FTFY. What do you claim is the coherent answer?
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Since you can't conduct experiments or collect empirical data on these kind of philosophical questions, you have to use reasoning and logical inference to eliminate the least plausible answers, and arrive at the most likely answer.


There are really only three explanations for the existence of the universe:

1) The universe is infinitely old, and does not require creation (this idea can be dismissed on the basis of logic and science).

2) Matter and energy came into existence from nothing, because of inanimate physical causes (this idea is incoherent and violates physical laws of conservation).

3) Some immaterial and purposeful agency or force outside the spacetime parameters of the universe is responsible for it's origination and it's lawful mathematical organization.
 
Ross Dolan said:
I have never been called for jury duty and I doubt that I ever will. I have more law enforcement agents in my family than any other family I have ever known. Almost automatic disqualification every time. Never been called for a civil case.
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So because you've never been called for Jury duty you figure it's OK that you don't understand how the justice system works?

Interesting.


Ross Dolan said:
I also am saying that I do not "believe" no gods exist. SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE THAT "BELIEF." I ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY DO NOT HAVE IT.
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Calm down, Cletus. I know it bothers you that you are unable to understand this topic. I can't simplify it anymore for you.

 
gmark77 said:
So because you've never been called for Jury duty you figure it's OK that you don't understand how the justice system works?
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I did not say that. You asked if I had ever served jury duty.

I said no.

Now you are making shit up about that NO.
gmark77 said:
Interesting.
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If you say so.

gmark77 said:
Calm down, Cletus. I know it bothers you that you are unable to understand this topic. I can't simplify it anymore for you.
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I understand the topic better than you...and have discussed it extensively with people MUCH smarter than you, Child.
 
Ross Dolan said:
I did not say that. You asked if I had ever served jury duty.
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Yeah, and it's highly unlikely you understand how the justice system works. You've already shown you have no clue how the null hypothesis works.

Ross Dolan said:
I understand the topic better than you...and have discussed it extensively with people MUCH smarter than you, Child.
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That's why I'm the only one on here to so far mention the null hypothesis or how that works. Sure, sure you "understand" it, Cletus.
 
Ross Dolan said:
I understand the topic more than you. But, apparently you are a wiseass youngster and nothing I can do about that.
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LOL.

Then explain how it applies to the justice system and how jury verdicts work.

I'll wait (I've already explained it to you, but since I know you didn't understand it I want to watch you struggle to explain it. LOLOL)
 
gfm7175 said:
There are currently over two billion self-identified Christians in the world today. That evidence is from TODAY, not 2,000 years ago.
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People believing in the God of Abraham isn't evidence that the God of Abraham exists any more than the existence of the Flat Earth Society makes the it true that the Earth is flat.
gfm7175 said:
Now, this is the part of the performance where you belittle this evidence as "weak" (and otherwise execute ZENMODE SEQUENCE #1). Fine, that's your opinion. You don't have to be convinced to believe anything just because some evidence for it exists, but that evidence DOES exist.

... and just like that ... execution of ZENMODE SEQUENCE #1.
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Yes. The only evidence is a book written thousands of years ago.
 
ZenMode said:
People believing in the God of Abraham isn't evidence that the God of Abraham exists
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Yes, it IS evidence that the God of Abraham exists.
ZenMode said:
any more than the existence of the Flat Earth Society makes the it true that the Earth is flat.
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... but it IS evidence that the Earth is flat.
ZenMode said:
Yes. The only evidence is a book written thousands of years ago.
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Continued chanting summarily dismissed.
 
gmark77 said:
Yeah, and it's highly unlikely you understand how the justice system works. You've already shown you have no clue how the null hypothesis works.
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You are a punk who constantly think people do not understand stuff they do understand.

But that is probably because you are a young punk.

At some point, you may grow up.
gmark77 said:
That's why I'm the only one on here to so far mention the null hypothesis or how that works. Sure, sure you "understand" it, Cletus.
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Yes, I do. And you are full of shit.

But...you are too childish to understand that you are full of shit.
 
gmark77 said:
LOL.

Then explain how it applies to the justice system and how jury verdicts work.
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Why don't you go fuck yourself, instead.

gmark77 said:
I'll wait (I've already explained it to you, but since I know you didn't understand it I want to watch you struggle to explain it. LOLOL)
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Continue to wait. Hold your breath until you turn blue. Kick your heels at the floor.

Mommy may hug you and make you feel better.

Then...maybe you will be able to play nicely with others.
 
Ross Dolan said:
I have a VERY STRONG OPINION. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT I DO NOT KNOW IF ANY GODS EXIST...OR WHETHER IT IS MORE LIKELY THAT AT LEAST ONE EXISTS OR THAT NONE EXIST.

How can you suppose that is not a strong opinion?


You lord over the theists with your twaddle about their opinions being just guesses...and yours being motivated by science and logic.
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Ross Dolan said:
You and your opponents are motivated by just guesses, Zen. Mine is not.


Correct.

Which is why I wonder why you will not answer my questions...since we agree on that.


I am talking about gods...and I have explained explicitly at least 3 times to YOU that by god or gods...I mean mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)

If that is incomprehensible to you...you should not be in this discussion.

You are talking about being an atheist...a so-called weak atheist or, as you like to structure it, an implicit atheist. You are essentially saying that you do not "believe" in any gods. Your personal choice of using "atheist" (a word that means different things to different people) you claim is because you lack a "belief" in a god.

If you want to contest that...ANSWER MY TWO QUESTIONS.

Here they are again:

1) Do you "believe" there are no gods?
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I don't believe any... not one... of the gods that man has made up in his mind exist or ever existed.

The idea of a "creator" deity/extraterrestrial force of some kind is much more ambiguous. Given that there's no reason to believe that any of the man-made gods is even real, belief or disbelief in an ultimate 'creator', that has never made itself known,
Ross Dolan said:
2) Do you "believe" it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one?
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I think it is absolutely more likely that there are no gods.. at least none of the gods in the man-written storybooks.
 
gfm7175 said:
Yes, it IS evidence that the God of Abraham exists.

... but it IS evidence that the Earth is flat.

Continued chanting summarily dismissed.
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Given your views on what is relevant evidence, and what it means, there is literally no reason to have a discussion with you. By your logic, anything that anyone believes to be true is actually worth considering, no matter how insane it is or how much evidence exists to the contrary.

You are the ideal target for religion.
 
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