US Should Dump NATO, and the UN

Grokmaster

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Fuck the Eurosleaze; they need us a helluva lot more than we need them, and they consistently fall short of their duty.

Their current refusal to assist at Gulf of Hormuz is just the latest example, and they need the Straight open far more than we do,

Fuck 'em; the UN , too.

Let them defend themselves.


America should withdraw from NATO immediately​

Trump’s “Board of Peace” might sound ridiculous, and perhaps it is. But it’s no more ridiculous than claiming NATO is a board of peace.

That phrase now circulates in respectable company, with a straight face, as though repetition alone could make it true. It cannot. NATO was not born as a peace club, but as a military alliance with a narrow defensive purpose — specifically, to prevent the Soviet Union from rolling tanks across Western Europe.


It was a disciplined arrangement built on deterrence, limits and defined aims. It worked because it knew what it was — and what it was not.

That NATO is gone.

The Cold War ended. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Soviet Union collapsed. Rather than declare victory and stand down, NATO did the opposite. It expanded. It moralized. It wandered, a defensive pact without a clear enemy. Like most institutions that outlive their purpose and go looking for relevance, it found trouble instead.



 
I dont think we should withdraw from NATO. However bases need to be looked at.

First off Id remove all bases from Spain. Any base there is going to be useless. Move it to Portugal or Morocco. Theres only 3 or 4 bases anyway.

Next Id remove all bases from the UK homeland. They can allow us to use it sure but if the europeans deny their airspace then you have to take the long way around Iberia making it functionally useless as well. Move it to Greece or something. Maybe one of the Agean Islands.
 
tsuke11 said:
I dont think we should withdraw from NATO. However bases need to be looked at.

First off Id remove all bases from Spain. Any base there is going to be useless. Move it to Portugal or Morocco. Theres only 3 or 4 bases anyway.

Next Id remove all bases from the UK homeland. They can allow us to use it sure but if the europeans deny their airspace then you have to take the long way around Iberia making it functionally useless as well. Move it to Greece or something. Maybe one of the Agean Islands.
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Disagree. Let them butter theirown bread; the are more of a burden than an asset.
 
Ross Dolan said:
If you want to suppose I am sub-100 IQ...fine with me. I regularly kick your ass in the forum...and if you want to be known as someone who regularly gets his ass kicked by a two digit IQer...that is also OK with me.

Gotta wonder why you would do it, though.

:magagrin:
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Please explain how your childish, sophomoric babbling has "kicked my ass in the forum".

This should be hilarious....:LOL:
 
Grokmaster said:
Fuck the Eurosleaze; they need us a helluva lot more than we need them, and they consistently fall short of their duty.

Their current refusal to assist at Gulf of Hormuz is just the latest example, and they need the Straight open far more than we do,

Fuck 'em; the UN , too.

Let them defend themselves.


America should withdraw from NATO immediately​

Trump’s “Board of Peace” might sound ridiculous, and perhaps it is. But it’s no more ridiculous than claiming NATO is a board of peace.

That phrase now circulates in respectable company, with a straight face, as though repetition alone could make it true. It cannot. NATO was not born as a peace club, but as a military alliance with a narrow defensive purpose — specifically, to prevent the Soviet Union from rolling tanks across Western Europe.


It was a disciplined arrangement built on deterrence, limits and defined aims. It worked because it knew what it was — and what it was not.

That NATO is gone.

The Cold War ended. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Soviet Union collapsed. Rather than declare victory and stand down, NATO did the opposite. It expanded. It moralized. It wandered, a defensive pact without a clear enemy. Like most institutions that outlive their purpose and go looking for relevance, it found trouble instead.



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tRump was just begging them for help.

Or did you forget that already?
 
Crepitus said:
No, for being anti American as well as a habitual liar.
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Opposing islamists is far from being "anti-American", while supporting them/cheering them on, ,like you, DEFINES being "anti-American".

Meanwhile, your asinine idiocy about sharia etc. in the Mamdani's wife thread, has, of course, been exposed as the lies they are, told by you, also, of course.
 
Grokmaster said:
Please explain how your childish, sophomoric babbling has "kicked my ass in the forum".

This should be hilarious....:LOL:
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It would be hilarious to someone with a functioning brain. As for you...you just wouldn't understand it.

By the way, most people here do kick your ass...and have you for help. YOU help kick your own ass with the petty, childish posting to which you are addicted.

Please continue. I am enjoying your squirming more than you can imagine.
 
Jake Starkey said:
For supporting the pro-marxist and pro-Russia right.

Both Russian marxism and islamofascism are bad.
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Grokmaster; Makeup much nonsense, junior ??
Why are you and yours marching in the streets supporting the islamofascists?

Jake Starkey: I have not been to NYC since the Dodgers/Yankees WS in 2024.
 
Grokmaster said:
Fuck the Eurosleaze; they need us a helluva lot more than we need them, and they consistently fall short of their duty.

Their current refusal to assist at Gulf of Hormuz is just the latest example, and they need the Straight open far more than we do,

Fuck 'em; the UN , too.

Let them defend themselves.


America should withdraw from NATO immediately​

Trump’s “Board of Peace” might sound ridiculous, and perhaps it is. But it’s no more ridiculous than claiming NATO is a board of peace.

That phrase now circulates in respectable company, with a straight face, as though repetition alone could make it true. It cannot. NATO was not born as a peace club, but as a military alliance with a narrow defensive purpose — specifically, to prevent the Soviet Union from rolling tanks across Western Europe.


It was a disciplined arrangement built on deterrence, limits and defined aims. It worked because it knew what it was — and what it was not.

That NATO is gone.

The Cold War ended. The Warsaw Pact dissolved. The Soviet Union collapsed. Rather than declare victory and stand down, NATO did the opposite. It expanded. It moralized. It wandered, a defensive pact without a clear enemy. Like most institutions that outlive their purpose and go looking for relevance, it found trouble instead.



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Do you understand the difference between a defensive alliance and offensive? NATO is a pact that says if one member gets attacked, the others will come to its aid. Trump launched a sneak attack and called on NATO to help. Why should they help him in a war that was his making? That makes it outside of the NATO pact. You are as wrong as Trump, again.
 
Nordberg said:
Do you understand the difference between a defensive alliance and offensive? NATO is a pact that says if one member gets attacked, the others will come to its aid. Trump launched a sneak attack and called on NATO to help. Why should they help him in a war that was his making? That makes it outside of the NATO pact. You are as wrong as Trump, again.
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Why should we continue to carry them, as we have for decades?
 
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